If they can control equipment from other countries, we can control from KL. You don’t need PEs
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More work for those remain here especially those directly impacted by the 300 cut, pip and quit. The work is not getting less no where it near simplification. All add up more work and cost. Pity who are stuck. Good luck those not much work highly paid managers but protected by the alliance of leaders.. some are redundant obviously. Why ? Bec there is no such fare game here.
managers are tasked to have more network sessions with employees to improve morale. Seriously very childish. Please grow up.. you know these wont work.
Fire all the lousy PEs who can’t make good decisions and move their jobs to KLTC. That way we can remove 8% PIP for some of us.
It was communicated down, that the PIP range will vary between 3-10% each year. But for 2021 PA, it shall remain at 8%, just like last year.
There is no guarantee that the 8% will be reduced next year wor - in fact, it could be even higher at 10%, if EM Corp continues to remain net cash negative and the site’s projected attrition rate is not met hor.
The latter, if it happens, will be an anomaly - which just means that people are just clinging on to their jobs for dear life, and may not get equivalent-paying job offers to switch to. Haiz!
Once you are the bottom 8%, your career is over. They will find means and easy to get you out. I cannot believe how naive some get when they pass the PIP and still get laid off. Enjoy the performance assessment guys!
Now with the stepping stones gone. And pay freeze.. I’m not sitting around waiting like a lame duck.
90% passed PIP? Many had chosen to leave and only a handful stayed, tried their luck and passed. No wonder passing rate so high... No detail statistics to share and trying their luck to calm us.
Supervisors won't lose sleep. There will always be another s—er who will want your job at a lower pay. Deadweights will continue to survive long after you're gone because of nepotism. The earlier you learn nobody owes you a living, the better. Keep working on yourself.
let the bosses do the base work la.. oh wait, they didn't start off as the craft engineers in their current role.
The fact of the matter is that Em trains it’s employees to be generalists instead of specialists. As such, based on the generalists’ experience our salaries will be seen to be overpaid .... so most Em employees will find difficulty to find jobs that commensurate their experience.
Going forward , the job will be even more junior ... and you will be spending more yrs on the same assignment...
The older folks are advising the younger ones to leave is because indeed there isn’t much future or prospect to stay behind . Not bec of them being afraid of not being able to compete with the younger folks . Btw , the environment is getting very toxic , bosses are loading everyone to do more ( so that he can claim credits and rank well without doing much). Younger folks just want to do high value added stuff to score well in ranking. Refuse to do base load which doesn’t give much mileage in ranking . They are not afraid to be asked to leave ... as they think they are young . Bosses have no choice , turned to older workers and load them. These older workers have no choice but to s— it up ... end up over loaded and stressed out bec afraid of pip if they reject the bosses’ requests ... this Company is on a downward spiral... due to weak and self serving leadership.
Thats what happens if you have bigger ego than your brain.
When I see some of ‘em drive ///M3, F-Pace, S5 and the likes, I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.
But those with WRX STi and FD2R are just wannabe’s lah. Buahahahaha!!!
senior tech showing off BIG cars and houses back before 2010, they depended heavily on allowance and overtime. Thinking it was EZ MONEY, so joined them. Feeling super silly now bcos they were cheating the overtime system, rotating MCs with other ops shift. Now we have less ez OT, rules tougher, more careful try not to get caught, if not kana pip.
You don’t say.
- g. Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic (brand new)
70’s $20K
80’s $30K
90’s $90-100K (COE introduced)
Now $80-90K
Last time $1.5M can buy a bungalow house in D10!
If I look at past and present managers’ net worth (just from the types of houses they stay in, by the time they hit 40-50 years old):
I’ve been invited to many of their luxury homes, over the years (although I have years of experience, started off as NMPT nia, so no fight lah).
Those who start work in the 70’s (the old executives, all retired by now): GCBs and Semi-Ds in CCR
Start work in the 80’s: Semi-D’s, Terrace and Condos, mostly in CCR
Start work in the 90’s, before merger: Condos, Private Apts and HDB, many in RCR / OCR. Few in CCR.
Only a handful living in landed property, with extended family (and jointly financed with parents).
For future managers who start work in this millennia leh? See the downward trend?
Salary scale have not adjusted much, to keep up with rising cost of living in SG!
Let get real and do not delude ourselves. Good days in O&G are over. Outside better pay....unlikely but possible.....first ask, are your qualifications and gained experience transferable.
I dont to be a wet blanket but EM was one of the tier 1 paymasters.
What other sectors pay? Banking? Pharma?
Recently there was a DH who decided to leave EM for greener pastures.
A DH would be drawing up to and >$20K pm.
Looks like outside is paying even better than that!
I am the one who shared that I am drawing 10500 before LTSA.
Reason I am exploring opportunities outside is because I am disappointed with the leadership on how people are let go so easily before we explore our handles. Also, I assumed that it won’t be too hard to find something equivalent. But truth be told, after searching for a while, I’m starting to feel that it may be better to just stay on until job market gets better as I don’t see much better option out there at the moment. If our AWS is reduced it may make it an easier decision but since nothing is firm there I am not planning to act on impulse
To the OP and anyone else earning >10K, what's your reason for wanting to leave? Seems like you've been doing pretty decent over the years.
I think people glamourise job hopping too much. Unless you are still junior and therefore not earning that high or bringing with you a niche, transferrable skillset or making a vertical move, a paycut is highly probable in an employer's market.
So it boils down to what you value most, and whether the golden handcuffs are still worth it.
Liddat can also operate EM plant in Fawley, or Rotterdam from Afghanistan right?
Or operate Baytown, or Baton Rouge plants from Cuba?
Operate plants in Singapore from KL
Great wonderful fabulous brilliant idea from em
SCDF gonna have a very busy activation time lah
SCDF gonna make lots of good easy money from em lah why not small dustbin fire also they got activated
Errrrrrr going to quit DERT suddenly got chronic back pain already
# we love exxonmobil
er...er...... Operate a plant in KL need to pay Ah Gong lah ...... bottomless pit....
Save on labour cost but labour quality different..... unless the management can live with it.
Penny wise pound foolish
A fresh engineer, first job, male Singaporean (served NS), age about 25, will command a salary of >SGD3,800 pm, in EM Singapore
A fresh engineer, first job, male Malaysian (no NS), age about 22-23, will command a salary of >MYR2,500 pm, in Petronas or Shell Sdn. Bhd.
Forex approx 1SGD:3MYR
Wow you guys are crazy expensive. No wonder the company want to move over to us here at KL.
Fraction of the cost and more efficient.
Are there still European and US expats doing roles that most locals can do?
perhaps an anonymous platform is perfect for sharing of salary details to compare our "worth" in EM.
34 y.o. local male, low-po CL 25
$7,600 before LTSA
Wagecucking in Exxon - Broke
Career in a Tech company - Woke
How much should one be earning at 30, 35, 40, 45?
@3utwr+16zEvLP3 definitely urgency for everyone to resign. Anyone who says No, obviously lying.
For all aspiring stalwarts, as a guide, if you don’t meet the following promotion benchmarks, you are deemed mediocre and will likely have a normal career ahead of you in EMAPPL:
SH by 34-35 years old, or earlier
DH by 37-38 years old
Note: minus 2 years for females, or non-Singaporeans who did not serve NS
Can you share what was your career path in EM like previously and what industry you are in now? It will help many others with a reference on where certain experiences in EM may be valued in other industry.
Also, how long did you take the get this offer? Any tips on your search process?
Good to have a sense of salary benchmark here. Some of us not aware that we have been short changed by the system.
Anyone feels there's higher urgency to resign after the announced 8% NSI for this year PADP?
I'm 34 and was drawing 5 figures as well.
I took a 15% pay cut and changed industry (one with a brighter outlook).
Best decision made, the welfare/dynamics/stocks distribution is way better than EM.
The job I'm doing now is way alot more interesting as well. Pretty sure, my compensation will outpace a lot of hi-pos in EM in the next few years.
EM is just toxic in culture. Money is good but is it worth when mental and happiness are affected? My advice, Your family needs you more. Life is too short chasing money, it is never worth it.
For those remaining young upstarts who hope for upward mobility inside a company that has been slashed down on headcount and morale, think again!
In case you have not noticed, more SG locals from overseas postings (all hi-pos in CLs 27 -29) have been parachuted back from Altona, Europe and the USA over the recent months, and filling DH and “Special Assignment” positions.
More of them to come, as this move to repatriate them is more defensive, to protect.
So key positions in SG will be replaced with local repatriates from top down, eventually even, at DM level, when the current lot hits their use-by date.
So do you still think that you have hope to climb up the ladder?
When our local crème de la crème all return and fill the senior and middle management positions, where do you think you will stand in the selection process?
Keep applying else where, don’t stop. And spend more time and effort in ensuring that the resume fits what you are interested in- customized to the requirements and not anyhow shooting all over the place, hoping something hits the target.
Good luck and may the odds be in your favor.
You are clearly being silly. As an old bird, I would
Love to have a larger base, so that there’s more people to go through when offering up slots for PIP. With a smaller base, the NSI becomes a lot more dangerous for me. Why would I want to encourage people to leave. In fact, the more the merrier. It’s a numbers game, and still you don’t know how to play it, that’s why you are probably a perpetual PIPer.
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Similar profile, applyed close to 50 but no luck even in securing interview. I am ready for 20% pay cut in return for better career prospect and to gain new work experience.
Have been applying for jobs via LinkedIn on and off over the last 6 months. I think I probably have applied for about 75-100 jobs so far and so far haven’t gotten a good enough offer for me to leave.
My profile:
36 years old
CL26
Salary SGD10,500 before LTSA
Is it really much easier for you guys to get better offers out there? I have not been actively applying but after sending almost 75 to 100 resumes out over last 6 months and not getting anything that can match my current compensation I’m feeling there isn’t a lot of good options out there.
Anyone similar demographic as me facing similar challenge?