Are there still European and US expats doing roles that most locals can do?
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perhaps an anonymous platform is perfect for sharing of salary details to compare our "worth" in EM.
34 y.o. local male, low-po CL 25
$7,600 before LTSA
Wagecucking in Exxon - Broke
Career in a Tech company - Woke
How much should one be earning at 30, 35, 40, 45?
@3utwr+16zEvLP3 definitely urgency for everyone to resign. Anyone who says No, obviously lying.
For all aspiring stalwarts, as a guide, if you don’t meet the following promotion benchmarks, you are deemed mediocre and will likely have a normal career ahead of you in EMAPPL:
SH by 34-35 years old, or earlier
DH by 37-38 years old
Note: minus 2 years for females, or non-Singaporeans who did not serve NS
Can you share what was your career path in EM like previously and what industry you are in now? It will help many others with a reference on where certain experiences in EM may be valued in other industry.
Also, how long did you take the get this offer? Any tips on your search process?
Good to have a sense of salary benchmark here. Some of us not aware that we have been short changed by the system.
Anyone feels there's higher urgency to resign after the announced 8% NSI for this year PADP?
I'm 34 and was drawing 5 figures as well.
I took a 15% pay cut and changed industry (one with a brighter outlook).
Best decision made, the welfare/dynamics/stocks distribution is way better than EM.
The job I'm doing now is way alot more interesting as well. Pretty sure, my compensation will outpace a lot of hi-pos in EM in the next few years.
EM is just toxic in culture. Money is good but is it worth when mental and happiness are affected? My advice, Your family needs you more. Life is too short chasing money, it is never worth it.
For those remaining young upstarts who hope for upward mobility inside a company that has been slashed down on headcount and morale, think again!
In case you have not noticed, more SG locals from overseas postings (all hi-pos in CLs 27 -29) have been parachuted back from Altona, Europe and the USA over the recent months, and filling DH and “Special Assignment” positions.
More of them to come, as this move to repatriate them is more defensive, to protect.
So key positions in SG will be replaced with local repatriates from top down, eventually even, at DM level, when the current lot hits their use-by date.
So do you still think that you have hope to climb up the ladder?
When our local crème de la crème all return and fill the senior and middle management positions, where do you think you will stand in the selection process?
Keep applying else where, don’t stop. And spend more time and effort in ensuring that the resume fits what you are interested in- customized to the requirements and not anyhow shooting all over the place, hoping something hits the target.
Good luck and may the odds be in your favor.
You are clearly being silly. As an old bird, I would
Love to have a larger base, so that there’s more people to go through when offering up slots for PIP. With a smaller base, the NSI becomes a lot more dangerous for me. Why would I want to encourage people to leave. In fact, the more the merrier. It’s a numbers game, and still you don’t know how to play it, that’s why you are probably a perpetual PIPer.
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Similar profile, applyed close to 50 but no luck even in securing interview. I am ready for 20% pay cut in return for better career prospect and to gain new work experience.
Have been applying for jobs via LinkedIn on and off over the last 6 months. I think I probably have applied for about 75-100 jobs so far and so far haven’t gotten a good enough offer for me to leave.
My profile:
36 years old
CL26
Salary SGD10,500 before LTSA
Is it really much easier for you guys to get better offers out there? I have not been actively applying but after sending almost 75 to 100 resumes out over last 6 months and not getting anything that can match my current compensation I’m feeling there isn’t a lot of good options out there.
Anyone similar demographic as me facing similar challenge?
There will come a day, no pple to run ur operations. Cause they have left for better or brighter future.. Good luck EM 👍👍
If you’ve just joined EM, you’d be in your mid-20s now, well, late 20s to mid-30s if you’re an experienced hire.
With the drastic headcount cuts, you’re expected to remain in your first job for at least 5 years, if not longer. Then progress to senior/complex engineer - take another 5+ years.
By then, most will be in their mid-30s to early-40s and still cannot smell an SLS position.
Smelly smelly nowsaday, you will need at least 15 years to reach SLS level hor!
By that time, you already 40+ wor!
Not really marketable for a 40-something section head nia!
In the past, by that age, you could already be a DH, or even a young, budding DM - if you are a hyper hi-po.
Is that a long-term career that you want to be chasing, in a sunset industry? For crying out loud!
You need to place your future in front of you. THINK!
Those old birds have seen what EM has become. We either control our own destiny upwards, or let EM move us randomly with perpetual pay freeze or boot. In this together? That's a lie. With or without us does not matter, it is just business.
Old birds encouraging young guns to leave. Out of compassion or afraid of competition? I say fight to live another day! Boomers reek of desperation. Saying anything to keep afloat, screw them
Speeding up job interviews, stopped believing the words from my manager. Finally truly understand how unfair is this bias system starting from recruitment to career progression. Cheated once, twice shy. Bye bye
Go enrol in any NTUC course, especially WAH, CSSA, safety, Supervisory course. With these in your resume, sure got company called you for interview. Had went few interviews, also changed 2 job.
Don't feel ashame been PIP or NSI, just tell the truth to the interviewer. They know what EM is doing.
As long as you are below 40 (and still marketable), it would be better to look elsewhere.
What’s the point of remaining in a marriage that has become an empty shell, with no endearment, and no meaning?
You don’t feel for the other person any more.
Gone are the whimsical surprises, playful hugs and smooches, hidden behind every turn.
Only a lifetime ahead of chores to be fulfilled in an empty relationship.
But you do have a choice and it’s right here and now! Take that leap of faith, for heaven’s sake, before you grow older - only to realise that it’s too late!
The difference now is that PIP only for the 8%, but without PIL option (i.e., to skip PIP, take the 3-months payout and run away far far!).
Sorry Jose (or Nina), once you fail PIP, you get only 1 month notice to leave. No package, no payout. Just leave with flying kisses.
Thos less than 10yrs better try upskill try switch. Those cannot stuck with less opportunities. Less travel. Less overseas posting less position less goodie bags.but more work...Sunset industry after 150yrs ..good times gone sweet spot no more. After all you still have 20 to 30++ yrs do u want to stay like being threatened to pip in your 30s..40s..50s.. ??? Think far.
Another round of 8% NSI has been confirmed. Bet many would resign before the PADP results being communicated.
Just apply your best tool called LPSA, what is the worst things that could happen... PIP?
Using the most unethical way to layoff... what to do? Mgt will say the door is always open...
young Engineers, please think twice before staying...
No more long term career, only long term PIP.
Actually EM is a very good company but we are lacking of excellent leadership from the top.
Shall see which one up their size.
If pay is enough or job is secure, why would anyone wants to go and do grab on the sidelines?
Yes, after April no more WFH, all management have to go back office. Can see all start acting again.
After a year hiding at home do nothing, wonder what figure they will looks like? Clinic will be busy again, preparing medicine for over weight
Noticed increasing number of technicians doing delivery, off day better go rest and don't go moonlight. Later injured how? claim EM insurance is it?
EM survival tips during major crisiis
# dont take own vehicle take company bus to mingle with strangers and all em employees so everybody can see you even security guards can get to know you by now and you be seen by mgmt
# dont wear own clothing but wear company uniform all the way from home to workplace to show your love and pride and advertise exxonmobil brand everywhere you go and you be recognised by mgmt
# dont talk abt own topics but talk all positive abt exxonmobil work project stock price em mgmt lpo lpss nli li past incidents everytime anytime anywhere you go be it in the bus canteen clinic toilet or pretending to talk loudly on the phone alone and you'll be heard by mgmt
# last but not least dont be afraid to volunteer to take up em project like doing sharing walkabout housekeeping hang up em posters and you be relevant to mgmt
All the best good luck
# we are diehard hardcore exxonmobil
Those that left feel the uncertainty of what lies outside EM. Those who stays feel the uncertainty of what lies within... end of the day they are all the ranks and files who suffer whichever side of the coin u are . The only winner is the Mgmt ... it’s like watching the show of gladiators fighting . Those who are leaving fate has been decided ... those stay behind fate will be decided ... so pot stop calling the kettle black bec all are black . All in the same Sh*t . Take a leaf from the Reddits who United together and screwed the institution fund mgrs ... United we stand divided we fall...
6 Tier 1 BP for engineers to make sure you don’t become MLRP
- During zoom calls, make sure you use the Vision 2025 or We are XOM background
- Praise your peers or manager in meetings or zoom calls. Can be “I like your background or you sound energetic today” - shows your presence!
- Team up with your peers or direct reports and send each other “well done” emails and copy your bosses! - shows you acknowledge good work! It’s the same play as the Survivor show.
- In meetings, say things like “when I was in the field, I saw this ......”. doesn’t matter the content as the supervisors won’t know anyway. You need to let your boss know you went out to the field!
- Volunteer to take minutes. Nobody reads it anyway but it shows you got initiatives.
- About this time (ranking period), during your 1-1, tell your boss you did this and that for your peer and helped him. Puts you one up during ranking time.
I have practiced this (from a wise man). It works!! I should be safe for the next 3 years.
Management ppl don’t even know how to do LPSA. We are overloaded. Damn tiring, waiting for incidents to happen only when someone is exhausted and lost focus.
Bosses are very good at asking questions especially during lpsa session and can ask until worst worst worst - case scenario....
Really dont see how some supervisors are adding value. Everyone already so overworked liao, still want to waste our time by asking stupid and useless questions as if they got daily question quota to meet. Pay them so much for what? How to become a more efficient workforce like that? If you are management level, pls use your brain before asking any questions and think about whether those questions contribute anything at all.
toxic comments by WORKER BEES towards fellow suffering WORKER BEES just goes to show why FTs management can parachute in and sh– all over our heads. collectively or individually, we just need to grow some balls to either speak out or move out. smlj hi-po can eat or not...
apes strong together but the apes just can't come together. EM is full of apes that step on carcasses to climb. shame on all of us.
Already left the company jealous simi. You know deep down inside you're ngmi.
You do you.