Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

Anyone recall when GM couldn't make good cars?

Remember back in the 80's when GM, Ford and Mopar couldn't make good cars? And the Japanese were flooding the market with better cars?

Take GM as an example, GM was so moribound - they would hire new talent right out of college. Yet, that new talent...had to succumb to the existing polices and procedures. Committees and boards, many multiples of management layers. And after a time, that new talent was now no longer effective in driving change or new designs. GM had so many byzantine layers of management....even new CEO could not fix it. Nothing could. Until.....BK. Then, the management layers were fired, and innovators, new designs, and new technologies could advance. After BK, the new GM was a success.

Now look at Wells Fargo. See any similarities? Hmmmmm, lets see. Moribound management...many layers with no vision. New employees hew the line or they are out! Even the new CEO has no clue. Spans and Layers he says. Except....he'll still end up with the worthless layers of bla bla bla managers who s— the life from the company and follow their own agenda....like they always have. But, who is let go? The rank and file, the ones who had bright ideas, visions and expertise to make WF different.

At the end of the day, perhaps only a BK would let WF right the ship, fire all the worthless layers, and finally prune the company down to real workers and drivers that will engender new technologies, new methods of doing things, new and better service to the customers. Sometimes, something is so broke, it can't be fixed. Dump it out and start over. It worked for GM. What about WF?

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Post ID: @OP+16QNAoRz

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A whole extra layer of management got stacked on top of us when they started forcing "agile" down our throats.

Agile may work for software development, but theres a lot of people who do other stuff that doesn't fit into that round hole. It just bogs everything down.

Just one more layer of needless management from our perspective.

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Post ID: @1ydh+16QNAoRz

@lmh+16QNAoRz "There are way to many levels of management." sums it all up. Every single reorg in the past decade they told us that management was being streamlined, yet more and more managers were hired/promoted into positions where they had almost no reports.

The company is way too top-heavy.

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Post ID: @qvo+16QNAoRz

@bmv

50 yo here with less than a year. This guy is spot on. New blood doesn't mean young people. His comment about over 45 is off base to extent as there are good people over 45 with tenure but there are many that are adding little value. There are way to many levels of management. Too much consensus building to get anything done.

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Post ID: @lmh+16QNAoRz

No one really knows how good a financial position WF is in. It appears they have sufficient capital but until the next earnings release, which I estimate will be a loss, we don't know. I hope I am wrong.

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Post ID: @gzf+16QNAoRz

@yja: what ageist group at Wells Fargo do you work for? I’d like to shine a spotlight on them here and directly to HR.

Thankfully most of our promising up and coming generation are not arrogant entitled know-it-all’s who want to tell us “how it’s done elsewhere”.

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Post ID: @bmv+16QNAoRz

At some point you just can’t fix it - too many entrenched entities. I get the GM thing - their cars stunk until after the company was remade. Just sayin....

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Post ID: @sfo+16QNAoRz

Wells is not necessary getting rid of the younger people. In my group it’s all about new blood and getting people who know how it’s done elsewhere. Anybody over 45 with tenure is considered a dinosaur with nothing to offer.

In some cases it’s true and in others it isn’t, but it certainly is not true that the old guard is safe.

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Post ID: @yja+16QNAoRz

When filing for Bankruptcy doesn’t mean that all old generation managers will automatically be out. As of now Wells Fargo is in good shape credit wise and even if they wanted to, they would not be allowed to file for BK just because they wanted to.

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