So, from what The Great Saul’s last meeting we are now expected to use our own laptop to login to work starting next year? What’s next, do we need to pay rent for the cube at work?
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@2sew - listen to it again. He said BYOD does not apply to laptops. Keep listening. He then says that in the future you will come to work and not have a desktop or laptop. Instead you will have a little black box that connects to a vdi. When working remotely you will connect to the same vdi using a laptop, desktop, or other personal device that you supply
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@2sew - listen to it again. He said BYOD does not apply to laptops. Keep listening. He then says that in the future you will come to work and not have a desktop or laptop. Instead you will have a little black box that connects to a vdi. When working remotely you will connect to the same vdi using a laptop, desktop, or other personal device that you supply
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@2sew - listen to it again. He said BYOD does not apply to laptops. Keep listening. He then says that in the future you will come to work and not have a desktop or laptop. Instead you will have a little black box that connects to a vdi. When working remotely you will connect to the same vdi using a laptop, desktop, or other personal device that you supply
@2sew - listen to it again. He said BYOD does not apply to laptops. Keep listening. He then says that in the future you will come to work and not have a desktop or laptop. Instead you will have a little black box that connects to a vdi. When working remotely you will connect to the same vdi using a laptop, desktop, or other personal device that you supply.
@6qgw - well we should reach out to Wachovia to see how it's going. Oh... nevermind.
@1wdg+16MXo4Q8 Back in 2004 at Wachovia we used our own computers and logged into work through a dedicated ednet portal and it worked fine.
In California, an employer has to cover your costs from using your own ISP, phone service, equipment etc. The employer also owes you the facts about data gathering that infringes on your privacy. Here's one of many articles explaining that:
https://www.bbklaw.com/News-Events/Insights/2020/Authored-Articles/08/Best-in-Law-Remote-Working-Laws-for-Calif-Employer
When I worked at boa (before coming to wf) two years ago the team I was on had the virtual desk top for wfh at the time (we didn’t wfh very often) so it was fine for when we had to use it. I also worked on teams where we had laptops. Never understood why one group had laptops And the others didn’t they were both in same lob. You basically remote into your office computer from accessing a webpage on your personal computer. No issues except for if your desk top shuts down You cannot log in because you would physically have to go turn switch on the computer to remote into it. It has to be in locked and on to be able to do that. When we had riots in clt could not log in one day because we were not allowed to go into office.
@2sew+16MXo4Q8. No, he said that starting next year, when you login remotely, it will not be with company laptop. You will use your own personal laptop. It has been confirmed by a few people in this thread already.
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Saul specificallly said iPhones and tablets and NO laptops.
No bank IT department would allow personal laptops to be used for comany business.
They encrypt the hard drives for one thing.
I'm so not a fan of Saul, I think he's all hat and no cattle, but we are not going to be using our personal laptops.
I will gladly comply with BYOD if they allow permanent telecommuting and cancel relocation. Seems like a fair trade, yes it does.
: @1ztm+16MXo4Q8 that's not a VDI issue, but rather configuration. View and XenD handle it fine
I thought the VDI does not support audio or video, like Microsoft Teams and Skype for Business. If true, that is a lot less meetings to attend since VDI can’t handle it. Any VDI experts out there? With a mouse, keyboard, and screen, how will meetings work with VDI?
I would rather use a mac than these obsolete windows pc's, so that is ok with me.
I am beyond furious about the forced byod situation. I’m not going to do it and won’t let them make use of my laptop either. They must provide the tools and equipment they require for me to do their work. I’m not a franchisee or independent contractor. I’m a full time employee that needs those things. To those who will say “if you don’t like it, leave,” I say “I’m working on that as fast as I can!”
This could be well-thought outplan OR more likely it could also be another "seat-of-the-pants" – oh-what-the-heck-let's-just-try-it-and-see-what-happens. Cost-savings, pushback, risks, and FUD (fear uncertainty doubt) factors are all in play for a rocky-ride.
Reminds me of when a colleague received a promotion which required training. This involved a trip to a different city and a stay of several days meaning the expense of air fare and hotel. He did not have capacity on his credit card and the bank would only reimburse. I fronted the funds for him, he paid me back. Now successful in his career. Should have been easier for him, without the angst of not having the financial ability to pay for the trip nor the angst of his manager knowing this.
“ will the company be providing what I assume will be lightweight laptops in all the cubes”
Yes, Saul said this in his last AMA.
I'm perplexed. First, if we're all supposed to be in hub cities, then why is there even a need for this approach? Second, if team members are expected to both telecommute from their hub city and also come into the hub office occasionally, will the company be providing what I assume will be lightweight laptops in all the cubes? Third, what kind of investment will the bank have to make to support this approach, in terms of hardware and network infrastructure? Fourth, doesn't this hyper-centralization introduce tons of risk that we don't see with our current distributed approach?
Wait until the discrimination lawsuits start. If a person cannot afford to purchase equipment to work at WF, then that person is eliminated from the pool of possible hires. If that elimination impacts a disparate group of a marginalized community, WF will be spending more money in lawsuits and fines than equipment.
Anyone who is against the idea of having to supply their own laptop to work at Wells, and doesn’t live in CA, could consider writing to their state senator/rep (not the federal) and ask them to look into legislation to protect employees from corporations transferring their expenses this way.
The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act made it so you cannot deduct home office expenses from your federal taxes, but WF still can deduct these expenses from its reportable and taxed profit. If you don’t think that this is proof that the system is being rigged against you, I have a planet for you to purchase.
If they wants us to be employees and not team members, there is zero reason for anyone to just lay down their cash and privacy to “take one for the team”, there is no team.
The first step in his plan is to move everyone that has a corp cell phone to byod. So, when your contract is up, WF takes the phone back and you now have to install the BB container on your personal cell phone. The emails started going out weeks ago.
In regards to using personal PC's, some contractors already do this. They install Citrix and log into myapps through a browser.
Once WF gets the backbone fully installed, ramps up the crazy amounts of citrix servers that will be required along with vdi's, bye bye laptops. Its basically a thin client setup like in hospitals, for the most part, except you provide the client. That being your laptop which we all know will not happen, and that's what they are 'Banking" on. There is way in hell users will use their personal laptop with personal files, pics, apps. and sign some crazy arse agreement. What users will do is buy a cheap laptop (thin client so to speak) install citrix, and run it all through a browser.
VDI in the office with monitors, keyboard and mouse. Work remote, you actual connect to WF and pick up where you left off at work. It is awesome and yes many other financial institutions have been using this technology for a LOOOOOOOONNNNG time. it is much more efficient!
What's funny is the policy has pretty much always been never use personal equipment or send company files to personal email or home PCs. Now they're expecting you to use your own equipment if you work remote. Which is, uh, most of us?
My understanding is that if you're in the office, you use a desktop with a VDI. I seriously doubt they'll let people come into the office with their own laptop and use the network. Too way too much risk from viruses and talk about a support nightmare. Then what, people end up with their own software and apps on their machine too? The whole idea is stupid and only a bean counter would come up with such bullsh1t
When this was mentioned on a team call, before SVB talked about it, some of the managers were totally fine and excited about it b/c they could buy a mac or whatever PC they wanted. Excuse me? I have to buy my own equipment to use for COMPANY business? Same with phones. I mentioned that now we have to buy our own phone and use our minutes for company business. So now if I need to be remote or have access to email/calendar I'm paying for my own equipment too? Total bullsh1t and one more equivalent of a pay cut.
Somebody in this thread also mentioned approved hardware from teh company? WTF? I was thinking of a joke in that, yeah, now we'll have to buy sh1t laptops (soon out of date) from the company at inflated prices.
Meanwhile, how much do Charlie, Saul, senior execs and even 2 downs from Saul make in comp (with all those zone zero folks)?
ah well, it's coming, so best just deal with it.
@1jhb+16MXo4Q8 I'm calling BS on 15 - 20 years. As someone who set up early instances if virtual desktops, they were buggy as hell. Presentation server issues, network QoS issues. Users can't work offline. It will cause users to create security work-arounds that will lead to data loss. But hey, if all you see is $$ because you're an accountant and not an IT professio, it works great on paper.
@yyu other banks have been doing this for 15-20 years, I have done this at multiple prior banks
- I'm sorry, BYO-what!!!!
Saul Von Bu—le lives in fantasy land. I give this arrangement 2 weeks before some Russia. Teenager hacks the whole bank and redirects wellsfargo.com to some freak nasty p–no site.
Thing is no other bank or industry company is actually doing what he claims...
too much risk and too much $$$. Seen too many companies try to do the virtual desktops and fail. Hell we cant even get the VD's to work right with people in india how the hell would it work with 200k people?
Back in the Wachovia days and after it was taken by Wells we were able to use our home PC's. Just had to add and approved virus program. Then Wells stopped allowing that. Much easier then having to lug a laptop around.
So what happens if on my one of my usual black web adventure and my laptop gets hacked?
If you don't have one, you can purchase one of the ones they've pre-selected from the company procurement site. Sharon said something to that effect during her AMA because a question-asker said they didn't like the current options available and wanted to know how to get others added to the list.
What if I don’t have a personal laptop?!
@hkp, you heard correctly. He said JPMorgan and other banks were already doing it so Wells is going to follow suit (surprise!).
No. Not joking. That’s what he said. They will put some software on your personal laptop to be able to remote into Wells Fargo servers. Has any1 else heard this or am I imagining?
Bank of America is already doing this. Bad idea nonetheless.
What sort of an id–t willing to take that risk?! You must be joking