Especially considering that the overwhelming majority of current employees are looking for a way out?
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"no one willingly trains a person that will be looking to retire in a few years"
That's not ageism if they don't want to hire you cause you are going to quit in a few years. If you are 25 years old and apply and tell them they are just planning on hanging around for a couple years and then quit, then I don't think they will hire you either.
@1obd, my friend, you are wise beyond your years....you have described me in many respects.
Three years ago T came after the managers (I am an L2) and I scrambled to dust off my contact book and went to work networking....hard, and landed back inside. Over 55, too young to retire and too old to catch the eye of another company.
"Ageism," as you put it, pretty well says it. Twenty or thirty years ago it was kept silent, or maybe we were just too busy going about living to pay attention, but it does exist. By law, an employer can’t tell you that your age is a barrier to hiring....but deep inside, we know it!
In a fast paced world of Telcom, no one willingly trains a person that will be looking to retire in a few years, and we don’t like it but we do understand it.
I would say pretty desperado, to work in the cesspool everyday is depressing
I believe that for most people that are staying, they’re older folks (55+) who have decades in, are too old to be hired by other companies due to ageism. They are mostly L2 managers waiting for an MVO. Outside that, most everyone under 50 and less than 20 years, are looking (or perhaps should be. The vast majority are in the greater Dallas area, and though the economy is booming there, and lots of companies are hiring all over the metroplex, it takes time to absorb the thousands that want to leave (to a good job). Also, AT&T benefits and perks, are considerably nicer in comparison to most other companies. In addition, other companies are nowhere near as large as AT&T, so things are different, not to mention the general corporate environment to someone accustom to the AT&T way and has got to prepare themselves for some real adjustments, aka hesitate. If they’re not getting the surplus or outsource boot (or in area where most likely to happen) they can afford to bide their time.
If the overwhelming majority of employees are looking for a way out, but staying does that mean that they are incompetent, overpaid or that other companies are worse than AT&T?
"looking for a way out..." ???
You don't have to look too hard.
Says the person currently working for AT&T that would never dream of leaving.
Darn right I’d be stupid to leave at this point in my career! Lots of lower seniority people to pay off before they get to me!
@ruk, an interesting post. Just as T was about to divest (around ‘83) I was hired on right out of college, they were recruiting on campus and I had a "computer science" degree....something that would be laughed at today.
My recruiter simply asked one basic question, "are you willing to learn above and beyond what you were taught in classes?" Now I look back thinking the old timers were cussing me, and my lack of experience, "damn baby boomers, I know their looking to replace me with young, cheap talent!" Amazing how ones perspective changes over time.
The jobs are often doing work on equipment that is obsolete and outdated. Not every craft person works with cisco routers and has their CCNS. So the jobs skills are not directly transferable. Try to get another job having worked on something like datakit for 20 years. Not many ads for persons skilled in working with datakits.
Pretty F'ing desperate to want to work for this chaotic a d stumbling company
those that can't find a job else where come here in droves, mostly millennials. but the can take the BS and leave quite early.
whi said cheap labor
Not a very smart question, that answers by itself. It depends of the particular situation of the individual applying for a job. For example, if the applicant is a recently graduated college student with 0 experience looking for the first one, a job offer form aT&T would be awesome and a no brainer. This probably is the majority of the applicants for jobs today.
Says the person currently working for AT&T that would never dream of leaving.
Pretty desperate. Lol
How desperate are you to keep coming here posting negative things about at&t?