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Oracle busted for discrimination against women and minorities, hired H1B visas over us college grads

Not only did Redwood City software titan Oracle favor hiring Asians for key departments, it favored non-citizen Asian graduates of U.S. colleges over American graduates, the federal government claimed in a lawsuit.

The Department of Labor alleges in its suit against Oracle that a “vast majority” of the firm’s hires through its college recruiting program were non-citizen visa holders from Asia.

“These students required work authorization to remain in the United States after graduation,” the Labor Department said in a court filing. “In other words, Oracle overwhelmingly hires workers dependent upon Oracle for sponsorship to remain in the United States. This preference for a workforce that is dependent on Oracle for authorization to work in the United States lends itself to suppression of that workforce’s wages.”

Of about 500 recent college and university graduates hired into three job categories at Oracle from 2013 to 2016, some 90 percent were Asian, the filing said.

At the same time, Asians, blacks and women were “systematically underpaid,” according to allegations in the lawsuit, which also claimed that unequal pay cost workers $400 million in lost wages.

The company this week attacked the lawsuit, calling it “meritless” and claiming it was based on false allegations and “cherry-picked statistics.”

Oracle, led by executive chairman Larry Ellison, said it is in compliance with its regulatory obligations — as a federal contractor it falls under the oversight of the government — and committed to equality.

The government also alleged in the lawsuit that Oracle, amid the legal action, destroyed documents related to its hiring process.

Oracle’s pay gap for Asians and women began at hiring, when those workers were either started at lower salaries than other employees, or hired into lower-paid jobs, the suit alleged. And the gap broadened over time, according to the suit. “The longer that female and Asian employees stay with Oracle, the less they are paid in relation to other employees,” the suit claimed.

The lawsuit caught the attention of Ron Hira, a Howard University professor and critic of the use of foreign workers on visas. Foreign citizens recently graduated from U.S. colleges and universities usually work under an Optional Practical Training work permit or H-1B visa, both of which have been the focus of reported abuse. Oracle is not alone in favoring foreign workers who can be paid less because they’re tied to a company by their visa or work permit, Hira alleged.

“Industry’s key argument for more cheap H-1B and OPT guest workers is that there’s a shortage of U.S. talent,” Hira said. “That argument completely falls apart in the face of these findings. In fact, the industry is using the visa programs for cheaper guest workers, undercutting U.S. workers, damaging the U.S. talent pipeline, and exacerbating its woeful record on workforce diversity.”

Compete America, a lobby group representing Oracle, other tech giants and a variety of businesses and organizations, in 2017 called high-skills immigration programs “necessary components for maintaining our country’s leadership and competitiveness.” The group said it supported “balanced reforms to the H-1B program, ensuring that all employers are using these visas in the spirit Congress intended – to fill jobs requiring highly skilled professionals in fields where qualified U.S. workers are harder to find.”

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/01/25/h-1b-oracle-favored-hiring-foreign-graduates-of-u-s-colleges-over-american-grads-feds-allege/

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I worked in silicon valley for over 30 years, in a dozen companies as a developer. In all that time I never worked with or even saw a black developer. As far as I can see, they don't exist. There are a lot of women and other minorities. I don't think you can then say that a company needs to hire the same ratio of a minority as exists in the general population.

It might make more sense to hire in the ratio of students that are graduated from university in the field.

As a woman, I can certainly attest to the discrimination against women that is rampant in the tech industry. I was very good at my job and was sabotaged by the management at Oracle and a couple of other places. Indian managers are particularly bad.

I agree that something needs to be done to support women in the field, but it is true that not that many women are interested in tech. I consider myself to be an exception.

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Post ID: @6etf+XkbrT6m

“It is funny that minorities here are blacks and Hispanics. Both seem to be lazy without skills. Hire more of them and you run down the entire organization!“

You seem to be a racist dbag troll. F--- off

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Post ID: @6ydt+XkbrT6m

It is funny that minorities here are blacks and Hispanics. Both seem to be lazy without skills. Hire more of them and you run down the entire organization!

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Post ID: @6hvh+XkbrT6m

@XkbrT6m-2ehu O paid them very well. Their base are based on the Bay Area not Boston or Austin. Why 90% were Asian (a.k.a Indian and others)? Why 65% were Asian (Indian and others?). Why we cannot find local people out from the CMU or Duke. I know O has a list, only few universities are on that list.

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Post ID: @2jok+XkbrT6m

"So, how to resolve this?"

I suppose that O could cut a deal with ,gov, pay employees back wages, pay a fine, without officially admitting guilt. We'll see how this plays out.

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Post ID: @2aqq+XkbrT6m

The Labor Dept found that less than 65% of the new college hire applicant pool Oracle got were Asian (including from India) but of the Oracle hires from that population, 90% were Asian. Then they paid them less. You just could not make this stuff up.

Will be great jury trial material for civil and whistleblower law$uits.

How could Oracle management be so arrogant and $tupid to do this so blatantly?!?

The board needs to pick one of the 3 and throw the rest under the bus.

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Post ID: @2ehu+XkbrT6m

@XkbrT6m-1nrj So, how to resolve this?

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Post ID: @2vwi+XkbrT6m

The filed complaint at http://src.bna.com/lwC specifically states "in favor of Asian applicants, particularly Indian Asians, based on race in 69 job titles".

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Post ID: @1slk+XkbrT6m

@XkbrT6m-1nrj: yes "Asian" includes Indian which is considered South Asia.

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Post ID: @1fyf+XkbrT6m

This doesn't really surprise anyone does it? Oracle is not alone in this practice either. It would be interesting to see who the largest offenders are but the entire IT industry does this. Look around. Not that I'm a big government person, quite the opposite, but I believe that if there is a role that government could have it would be championing its citizens and utilizing them to position the country's industries to lead the world rather than importing workers. This involves creating an environment that along with allowing for amazing companies to be created but to also have those companies employee talent from within. India created its workforce specifically for export, I believe. Everyone, globally, bought into that.

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Post ID: @1vxb+XkbrT6m

We're talking about India when we say Asia, right? Its not like we're hiring a lot of people from China or Japan or Vietnam. The people O are bringing in on H1B are Indian. Maybe its become more PC to refer to them as Asian but it obfuscates who we are actually talking about - and that's probably the entire point.

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Post ID: @1nrj+XkbrT6m

Everyone do yourselves a Favor: don’t apply at oracle or hire/buy oracle for your contracts/software needs. Easy.

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Post ID: @wkm+XkbrT6m

So what happens if .gov wins the lawsuit? Does Oracle pay them a fine and call it a day? Or do they have to give minority employees back pay?

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Post ID: @zdw+XkbrT6m

Looks like it has teeth. Here is the federal filing:

http://src.bna.com/lwC

You have to wonder how this would affect the JEDI contract with the government when the vast majority of Oracle engineers are H1B Visa workers from Asia.

Wonder if Oracle could or should lose its status as a US contractor.

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