Thread regarding Citrix Systems Inc. layoffs

only Raleigh???

Confirmed layoffs February 16th

My inclination is to conclude the rumours are probably true. Previous rumours on this job board materialised and Citrix is about as adept at preventing leaks as the Trump White House.

The inescapable truth is that Citrix barely grows its revenue and VMWare has already overtaken Citrix products. Citrix has little unique innovation. Even Henshall’s “financial innovation” is nothing new.

I think it is important for everyone to look for opportunities on their own terms rather than on Citrix’s timetable. Fort Lauderdale seems replete with useless cretins who will never be able to find a comparable position due to the dearth of opportunities. Those in other locations who have real skills should ultimately not have a problem finding things.

A colleague of mine and I who eventually found out suspected our immediate “leadership” had been conspiring for some time. He noticed that his management had delegated some of his tasks elsewhere and I noticed my manager seemed unusually eager to learn about some of what I did.

Thankfully, I have found an even better opportunity and I had already been searching. Stay smart and explore options sooner rather than later.

I heard from other sources that the March layoff is true. Regarding the Raleigh office I havent hears anything about.

This site is usually spot on regarding layoff dates.

Regardless if this happens or not, if you have been at Citrix for 3+ years then you should be used to the layoffs by now and you should have a plan. What have you done in the past 3 years to improve your marketable skills? New certs? New education or skill improvements? Budget cuts? If the answer is no then you know what to do next.

If you want to be safer at Citrix then get involved with important projects and deliver results. Go above and beyond expectations but do understand it does not guaranty you will be 100% safe. Dont forget to take advantage of education incentives offered by Citrix like getting your Citrix certs, exam fee reimbursement for external certs and college tuition.

I am at peace with whatever happens. I would definitely like to get a package but do realize that regardless of preparation it will get stressful for a few weeks. I do have to point out that the market is in good shape to find another job and all of my friends that got hit in the multiple layoff at Citrix have found better paying jobs within 2 months.

Lol, someone needs to slap some sense into Mr. "Inapt". He is clearly one of those minions asked by his manager to stick up for Citrix. Can't believe anyone with half a brain thinks the way he does.

My manager was made redundant in last October . Leadership team says they are in the process of recruiting for the last 4 months but there is no position opened and nobody recruited . If we still believe ELT/ Leadership team what they SAY and what they really DO is just opposite trust is completely broken between the employee and management whatever DH does is for EM and share holders. All of the ELT members are became puppets of EM and they are licking the shoes to get their Fat bonus packages . DH is CFO in CEO shoes whatever he does is just to show the account books clean and profitable.Company should makes changes to survive the market trends they should have a plan A ,Plan b or plan C but here they doesn't know how to create a plan then how you can expect a proper execution of it. Citrix leaders are not leaders at all what they doing is for their mistakes firing the low level workers to save their positions. If they are true leaders they should have accepted for he failure and resigned first for their mistakes . If you believe cloud is going to safe the company then a true leader will train their resources and not firing them. ELT let first them learn how to be leaders then employees will believe them and work harder to make the company great again.

@exwb - I am agree with your views.

@ehky - I don't understand is the integrity applicable only to employees but not to the DH or ELT those are big liars check the DH last august gem video again.

Yeah will do. One thing is assured though that I will not be whining and spreading negativity. Also while I believe in the core values, Integrity is not something that one is taught. If it’s there it’s there, if it’s not it’s not.

@elen if making up a story about me helps you validate your sense of belonging and keeps you from having a nervous breakdown at work, so be it.

I have said, and will continue to say, that there are amazingly smart people at citrix, who have been and continue to be horribly mismanaged. You can believe the citrix core values and you can believe management when they tell you that if you just work harder, your personal contributions will be recognized. You can maintain your fallacious belief that someone like me is a result of just not trying hard enough, and that management will always look out for you.

I just hope you remember to take a deep breath and recall this conversation when, not if, management comes for you. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, maybe not March 13th, but at some point you will be on the other side. Everyone is. Just remember to breathe, and dont be mad at management: it was your fault for not working hard enough.

Y’all are getting way to philosophical, can I get laid off yet?

(Contd) That does not mean that you start believing everything that’s posted on the anonymous site. You seem to have problem with your fellow team members, managers, leaders everyone. You seem to have problem with status quo, any steps take on the past and any new strategy. While you feel you are speaking truthfully, there is hardly anything that you have been able to clarify concretely other than showcasing your own weaknesses and fear. You have clarified that you did not not see good things happening in the past, does not believe in present and don’t see any future for Citrix, so why continuing at all.

Like you have done to others, you can also tag me as a troll, a manager, a new comer or ELT, but unfortunately it’s you who is trolling here.

No I did mean inapt.

I come here to speak anonymously and truthfully since I do not wish to spread negativity to my colleagues.

LOL.... height of irony. So rather than spreading neagativity just to your colleagues you want to spread it to everyone in the world.

Restructuring and changes have happened and will continue to happen probably. It’s also not something unique to Citrix but is a fact with any business in today’s economy.

@ejgy I believe the word you are looking for is "inept". Are you referring to me? I continue to have a consistent, results oriented approach that reflects on my performance review. I have a comfortable position with a comfortable salary and could live blissfully with my head in the sand should I choose to. Citrix still does have good talent but they are starting to leave consistently. I come here to speak anonymously and truthfully since I do not wish to spread negativity to my colleagues. In fact, I use much the same rationale as you do in the office when asked about this thread. That's partly why I have so little tolerance for your platitudes here.

But as @etrk so eloquently put it, anyone here since 2014 (about the time Elliott management got involved) has seen consistent "restructuring" i.e. layoffs. This is not negativity, this is fact. And the fact is, employees have such little trust in management that this thread is able to destabilize an entire company. Because anyone with half a brain can see a pattern, and the pattern is, if your department isn't being called out on the investor call, if your department isn't getting the lion's share of new reqs, if your department struggles with back fills, promotions, or merit increases, it means the company is not financially investing in you. Which means during "streamline the business" and "increase operational efficiency" time.... Layoffs for you.

"They would want to believe rumors on layoffs but can not accept facts on hiring"

Have you been living under a f---ing rock? There has been layoffs consistently every year since 2014 and you are b--ching about people who are worried history might repeat itself?

I am surprised that Citrix has hired as well as retained folks for over a decade who are so inapt and has such negative perspective. They would want to believe rumors on layoffs but can not accept facts on hiring. They are questioning new strategy but would also say that status quo is maintained. I feel bad for those hard working co-workers and employees who have to bear their burden. I can’t believe that they ever worked at Citrix or have not left yet, despite appearing to have ever reason to do so. Give yourself a break my friend and find something that will make you happy. Citrix is doing well and would continue to do it. If you don’t believe in it it does not mean that others don’t.

@dgmw what department are you in? There are reqs in Raleigh but there are more departments in need of people than the reqs allow- remember the hiring freeze leading up to the layoffs in October? Some face a department hit by layoffs as well as employee attrition. The reqs and backfill policy are not sufficient. See comment made by @cbpv the Raleigh front desk is bombarded with support calls because there aren't enough people to field volume. While we are anonymous, you seem like you are either very new, in a sheltered department, a manager, or a troll. Anyone involved with or near the front lines of this company see the writing on the wall.

Regarding your claim of me playing a victim, your comment holds no water. I have near a decade's worth of accolades, manager reviews, and peer feedback that point to my execution and delivery of outcomes beyond my station. But there truly is no "I" in team, and a company this size requires some projects to have stakeholder involvement (especially if you are dealing with process change, product enhancements, etc). Some managers are forward thinking and can help. But the further I move up the ladder the more I see unwillingness to change, the fear of disrupting the status quo. That fear, ironically, causes us yo lose as we cannot react in time to changing market forces.

This is all anonymous so I'm sure you will continue to believe what you want. Good luck.

Cost cutting is the dimwits path to profit. It is not sustainable. Cost cutting is a death spiral. Real leaders grow revenue by building better products and a better organization. Real leader focus on employee retention, product quality and customer satisfaction.

Current active hiring doesnt mean sh--. In October people who were here or 2-3 weeks were laid off.

@cdjy on the point about reqs, there is active hiring going on for Raleigh location across various dept and one can check the job site to confirm. I also know that college grads are also being interviewed for entry level positions.

I do see some of your points but apologies for being blunt, it appears that you are playing a victim. No offense, but you are actually highlighting your own weakness. Think about it with open mind, are these failures that you cited created by others and you did not have any ability to defend your idea or fix it? If you were passionate, why did you not help get “your” idea executed correctly? Spare some thoughts on whether you wont run into similar situation elsewhere? Is this Citrix’s problem, manager’s, ELT’s or your’s

I did not have any intent to preach anything and it would be my last message here. I would rather not pay any attention to any rumors. Probably I don’t see things the way you are seeing. Even if the worst happens, at least I would be spared of the negativity and anxiety until the d-day. :)

@cdjy I completely agree with you. Follow the money. This is always going to lead to the truth. And the truth is that in support we are being told funds are tight while they post outstanding profit reports. They have been cutting back on everything: promotions, merit raises, awards, and even Friday breakfasts, in order to "fund the cloud transformation". I call BS. If that was truth, we would be provided training on cloud, provided ways to create labs with cloud products, and cloud would be synonomous with support. But none of those are true.

Citrix has great potential, and great talent, but they keep negelcting and abusing their talent, focusing on the wrong thing (profit), and alienating their strongest, brightest employees.

The path they are taking leads to employee alienment, dissatisfaction, and high turnover. This subsequently leads to customer dissatisfaction, lack of confidence in products, and decreased sales.

A company's greatest obligation is not to their stockholders. That was a postulated idea from over a decade ago that has been proven to be wrong. A company's greatest obligation is to their customers, which in turn creates what the stockholders want - increased value. How do you accomplish that? By takeling care of your employees. Create an outstanding culture. Then your employees will care about the company which translates to caring about the customer, which translates to outstanding customer interactions which will drive sales.

ELT is not doing any of that; they are doing the exact opposite and we are on a path of self destruction. Sure, short term will show greater profits, but I assure you, the company and the stock prices will begin to plummet if we stay the current course of neglecting employees for more than a few years.

I am patiently waiting the next survey they send us. I will explain to them, in great detail, why ELT are not leaders at all but a group of failures at leadership.

Confirmed layoffs for March 13th

@cose i say this BECAUSE i have years of experience. I have spent years operating beyond my role and beyond my department to deliver cross functional solutions. I have had managers shoot down my ideas, then pass them off as their own. I have had managers implement my ideas, then manage them so incompetently that the project fails. I have seen managers praise employees to their face, then submit a poor evaluation report for missing a metric that was never communicated. I have seen good teams choked to death for lack of hiring, funding, training, resources, despite multiple please and escalations (even to the C-suite). I am here, responding to you anonymously on a friday, because i care about the company where i put my effort, and where many others have put their effort. I have spent nights and weekends crafting projects along citrix leadership guidelines and outlines. I have been mentored by and mentored some excellent people.

Citrix has failed, and continues to fail, those people. I dont know how long you've been at the company. I hope you do well and leadership listens to you and appreciates your dedication to the core value set. You can believe whatever stories you want about me. I am just saying: i have been where you are, and i say what i say because i look at what citrix DOES, not what it SAYS. As the saying goes- "follow the money". Where are reqs being opened? Where are promotions going? Where are bonuses going? What projects are being funded and what teams are being asked to do more with less?

Good luck.

@bkuh I am a common employee as I said earlier (a developer probably in the category that you praised). If you have seen it all, what do you suggest? May be you are saying that Citrix should not strategize and do nothing because previous strategizes did not work. Or do you have a different solution to how it must be? I must admit that you have better insights and years of experience than me. So why not propose it and enlighten everyone and contribute positively? Ohh, wait you would want to come up other excuses for having able No say despite years of experience at Citrix - my manager was bad, leadership is incompetent, you role does not allow it, you don’t get enough sunlight in office. What is it, please say.

@bjho that’s called Integrity. The first core value of Citrix. Whining and cursing on an anonymous forum isn’t for sure. Anyway I am sure you can not relate to it.

All of your answers are in hard copy form at the flying saucer. I have just delivered the package to the a table in the back room. Hopefully this will eliminate any confusion and confirm that the raleigh office is indeed being closed. You’re welcome in advance.

@bnrq assuming you aren't a marketing shill, manager, or troll, you are definitely on the fast track to leadership, the way you gobble up whatever they feed you only to snowball it into the mouth of the next person. I'm not sure how long you've been at Citrix, but here is nothing "fast" or "bold" about the strategy. I've heard the same words and seen the same rebranded decks quarter after quarter, years after years after years in every gem, town hall, and skip level. From an engineering standpoint, the technology is slapped together by different teams that can't even speak the same language, lead by product teams whose only experience is building sales and marketing decks and have never looked at a single line of code. The only developers who are worth anything are mismanaged by incompetent leaders threatened by those smarter than them, until the dev switches departments, goes to a competitor, or gets outsourced.

Best of luck to you.

So much a-- kissing here. You'd think it's not an anonymous board anymore.

@bclj ha ha ha. Thanks for your kind words. Regret to disappoint you I am not Mr DH but a common employee. Though unlike you I strongly believe in the vision and take your message comparing me with the CEO as a compliment. But I think you are right on ‘Fully Untested’ strategy.

How can you “fully test” anything unless it’s actually implemented? It’s important to move forward and execute as you would never get 100% answers and confirmation, else you wait only to lose the opportunity to others. While only time will tell, atleast I am glad that even at a larger organization like ours there are now fast and bold strategic decisions taken lately.

thanks for your post @bxoi or should i say mr henshall. how nice of you to join this lovely thread. for those below the elt or senior leadership level, citrix has been critically underpaid, incompetently managed, chronically understaffed, and is currently in the process of outsourcing to countries that are barely english literate. the "workspace strategy" is completely half baked, entirely untested, and so far is being run by the same incompetent managers who continue to make the same poor choices which got citrix into this situation- underpaying your top performers, driving them straight into the arms of your competition, while promoting up the people who make the prettiest pie charts regardless of whether they actually know what they are doing. how does it feel to know your employees trust an anonymous message board more than they trust you?

Citrix is still a great company, and aggressively pursuing cloud and workspace strategy which will pay off if executed well. I would have been worried if status quo was maintained and the company did not adapt to changing market and needs.

@ahdp hoe long did you work at Citrix? Last few years?

Citrix has been a sinking ship for the past few years. Any employees that don't realize this or aren't actively looking for another job are going to be in for a rude awakening. Bye Raleigh, it was fun while it lasted.

@amuy you are right, they weren't technically backfills. They were new hires located in costa rica and the people who trained them were coincidentally given a 90 day layoff notice rather than being walked out in october.

Sorta like how no one got "fired" in october... They got "laid off". Pedantic enough for you?

I love this forum, if there was anywhere our ELT had to look for ideas on how to streamline the business this would be it.

@9dkh why not share it via ShareFile

@9dkh - oh for ffs, nobody had to train their backfills in October

If anything, Raleigh is a perfect fit for a 7-11.

Everyone in raleigh knows there are recources in bangalore and costa rica, thats old news. In fact, after the october layoff some people had to train their cr backfills. The question is whether cr/bangalore have the headcount and training to absorb the full brunt of customers if raleigh is let go. I dont think they do. They will in the future for sure, but by march? Unlikely. Unless the powers that be decide to quit supporting entire product lines which is also possible.

Either way i'll see you guys at saucer

@9qut You're really not good at the whole whistleblower thing are you? You may just become the next Seth Rich. Why would you broadcast where you're "making the drop" 48 hours in advance?

What proof do you expect? It's trusting an anonymous poster no matter what's put up. Upto each individual to decide if it's trustworthy or not.

You can be anonymous and still give varying degrees of proof. Otherwise you're just larping. If people don't realize the amazon poster was a troll, for instance, I don't know what to say.