With the seasonally empty buildings the execs are letting their guards down and having hallway conversations that would normally take place in secret. Today while in a breakroom in the Palo Alto office I overheard two execs discuss in detail the massive layoff planned for February 2018.
Sounded like no office or location will be spared.
Meg hacked the company to the muscle and now the new management is cutting away to the bones.
Looks like its truly over in 2018...
"The higher pay that many senior engineers command is the cause."
If higher pay is what it's all about, Meggot and Minions should have been way-long gone!
There's another solution at hand, and Meggot and Minions (and other large corporations) just cannot see it... As people get older and money gets tighter and older folks slow down... The plain fact is, lots of older folks do slow down... Cut their pay! Duh!
For those who get all miffed about their cut in pay, document their trouble-making, and fire them! For those who are happy to keep their jobs at lower pay... There WOULD be many of these... Keep them! That's a win-win!
But Meggot and Minions would rather use blatant age discrimination and pay the legal costs as a regular "cost of business". Besides, it makes them feel WAAAY superior and smug, to be old but overpaid slowing-down geezers, firing other (lower-paid) slowing-down geezers who are inferior to their smugly superior selves... Do NOT underestimate the power of smugness!
Age has jack sh-- to do with the layoffs. Correlation =/= causation folks. The higher pay that many senior engineers command is the cause.
Sad days, though. Just slap a label on Taiwan's product and call it good. No need for engineering expertise in that case. ;)
Why the hostility by some posters towards people who are clearly distressed and upset at their (the) situation? Clearly many of the older workers at HPE were impacted by the WFR, chances are they were top performers and thus expensive to keep. When you cross your 40's and are close to retirement, it is very hard to find another job no matter what your skills or abilities are, plus many people have not applied for a job in a very long time and the process of getting yourself ready for the job market can be daunting. So this distress and upset should be understandable to most anyone with an adult emotional intelligence.
It is also understandable why people would be upset at the terms of the severance. It is almost as if you were fired for cause because of the agreement that you can never return to HPE again, even as a contractor. To many people, this is an unneccessary burden on something that is already very difficult.
I would like to share that I started a new job this month in a rapidly expanding sector of IT. I am excited to be part of something so dynamic and in a company where my contributions matter. For people still following this thread. There is a very bright path forward from HPE, though it can be hard to see from where you are right now, but HPE/HP has been an emotional challenge for many of us for quite a long time. At some point, when we can all look back, this situation will, for many of us, show itself to be an opportunity forward.
I Wish the best for everyone this holiday season. My thoughts and prayers for you and your families.
Pretty ridiculous to say Antonio "isn't HP" considering he has been with the company for 23 years and thus fits the profile of most of the people grumbling on here about their decades of time at the company but then placing all blame on the CEO for any shortcomings.
Not exactly true on the microsoft statement, but not exactly false, either.
Yes the class-action age-discrimination lawsuit was revealed in Meg's internal documents that Baby Boomers are undesirables. Plus Meg has gone public with off shoring 80% and only 20% in the USA.
For those of you who have devoted years or decades of your life to H-P and associated companies, I hope you and your families have a Merry Christmas. The New Year most likely will not be so happy. Word is Dell earnings were $20B for the last quarter and their share of the server market rose 32%. Thanks Meg. If layoffs continue it will become more impossible, if not already so, to bring competitive products to market. Getting booted from the Dow and losing Microsoft as a customer are bright red glowing signs no one can miss. Meg isn't HP and neither is Antonio nor Leo, Hurd or Carly. You are, or like me were. I am now a contractor at HP Inc and things are improving. For those trolls, HR kids or whoever is grumbling about geezers. Bill and Dave made valuable contributions when they were geezers. HP, Compaq, et al would never have made it this far if it weren't for us geezers. You are standing on our accomplishments, our shoulders. The view won't be so good when we are gone.
If "troll" means me as in "On-Guard Geezer in Houston", maybe I laid the sarcasm on too heavily...
I don't want generalize too-too much, but from what I have seen, hard-working, diligent "geezers" have often been replaced by "entitled" and lazy youngsters. Not always, I am sure... But way-way too often! And Meggot and Minions are happy, so long as geezers are replaced by youngsters... No matter what the practical implications may be. If a 1st-level manager proposes that a lazy youngster (not an old hard-working and diligent geezer) be laid off, then that defiant 1st-level manager will be laid off! We have seen this in the details of the class-action age-discrimination lawsuit.
You youngsters who are actually hard-working? My advice is to gain a few skills at HPE (if you have already been snorfled into our particular HPE-version of the La Brea Tar Pits), for a few years at most, and then move on to greener pastures... HPE is NOT any kind of long-term place for hard-working or diligent individual contributors (or lower-level managers) to find ANY kind of just rewards... MOVE ON!!!
Troll. This post should be nuked. There are very few "geezers" left and those ones are knowledge sharing with the young pup types who has posted here..the over entitled knobs.
I was in Palo Alto site until this August. There are a few young and hungry people in a few orgs but largely old timers as they are more expensive to lay off (more years for severance) vs. the younger employees.
There are boatloads upon boatloads upon boatloads of 50-plus geezers in Houston, where I have also noticed that many geezer managers lay off their workers (especially geezers) but then stay on as individual contributors, if not managers. Geezers having served as managers for many years, becoming individual contributors? THAT is the biggest joke of all! They barely know how to run a spreadsheet, let alone write or debug source code or run the techie gear!
As usual, the buddies look out for the buddies...
But expect the axe to fall especially hard in Houston, with its large population of geezers, and with Houston having lost the last few remaining dregs of manufacturing that it once had...
4bns,
What is your location?
Walk around any of the the big campuses around the company in the US. The large majority are under 35. The shift to younger workforce started 10 years ago.
It is not my intent to talk about age in this forum. But since you put numbers out there, I want to set the record straight. There are not that many 50+ left in the company (US).
Shut the whole thing down already had sell it to the chinese companies. Get it over with.
I can tell you that at my location nearly everyone is either close to 40 or over. There are maybe 10 people under 30 there, not including contractors. In fact then YEN group was dissolved for lack of members.
Yes - a troll. anyone who still works at HPE can tell you most employees are very young- 20's and early 30s.
It is well known that Microsoft stopped buying HP Intel-based servers for their cloud several months ago. Nothing to do with SuperDome.
3bfh,
you said "That point is only true because the only people left at HPE are over 50."
That tells me you are not with HPE. You are an outside troll. In the last 10 years, close to more than 75% of the company is under the age 35.
"Age is mentioned because most people who are WFRd are over 50."
That point is only true because the only people left at HPE are over 50.
Age is mentioned because most people who are WFRd are over 50.
@QGSjRSX-2agx You panty waisted millennials have done squat for this world other waste good oxygen. Go back to your safe space...LOL!
Why are there posts here about age when the original post was about Palo Alto layoff whispers. Disgusting to bring this up and this post should be deleted.
Everyone gets older every year. So people out there, do not be so nasty of people 55 and over. We will be there some day. What goes around comes around.
That's not a very nice comment about those over 55, come on now, be a sport. If you're over 55, you most likely have some pension money coming. So, why not show up every day, well at least show up now and then. The Meggot is worse than the 55+'ers. I'm OK with staying until I get the WFR on the 18th. If not we wait a few more weeks. So there, be a sport, you selfish Millennials. Good Luck to All!
2agx: I am the ghost of prehistoric old man farts. And I am going to sit on your face...
I love HP and HPE but I really hate Meg, Alan, Henry and all the useless executives. It is really sad to see the Titanic sink. Especially, we see our rich executives are loading their safety boats and leave while asking us to stay focus and trust them.
@1fgz you are OLD like prehistoric farts old. The average age for HPE crotchets is over 55 and let’s face it you are all killing time at HPE with one foot in the grave.
Move on already and let us virile young talent fix this aging monster .
"Jumping on the troll bandwagon is denying the company has deep and fundamental flaws along with a very aged and tired workforce "
OP is a troll and that is obvious. And who you calling aged and tired. I'll kick your rearend around any HPE campus any day of the week in any sport.
Yes, the company has flaws and fundamental ones, but you aren't intellectually sound enough to point what those are and how to fix them...
"If HPE servers are still well loved, then how could ONE customer cutting their orders way back have had such a detrimental effect on the entire corporation?"
They might love their SuperDomes, but are they buying more?
Don’t see a future for the HPE corporation.
Meg cut it too far back for her personal short term gain and now we have s walking dead corpse of a company
"HPE servers which is still well loved along with SGI will either be IPO'd or sold to hardware company. I wont be surprised if it is some Chinese company."
If HPE servers are still well loved, then how could ONE customer cutting their orders way back have had such a detrimental effect on the entire corporation?
Jumping on the troll bandwagon is denying the company has deep and fundamental flaws along with a very aged and tired workforce .
Just look at the hate both current and former HPE employees have for the company and you have a dangerous mix of lethargy and vile cynicism.
Don’t discount this poster (troll or no-troll) . You are just denying the gaping chasm that is right in front of you.
troll ... HPE is still profitable. Here's how I see the ending.
Aruba and ProCurve will be IPO'd as one company
3PAR and Nimble will be IPO'd as one company
HPE servers which is still well loved along with SGI will either be IPO'd or sold to hardware company. I wont be surprised if it is some Chinese company.
As for the rest (Simplivity, PointNext, etc) will probably be sold but they are so minuscule compared to overall value of the 3 above. Megtonio might decide to sunset these products.