Based on what? Lots of ic4 and 5 got hit. What's your point. You want to just kill us?
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We have definitely seen British supporting their own kind. I am not racist, but we all talk about it in our group, and its an open secret that Brits support their own kind. Havent seen any such evidence for AMER or APAC, these latter folks are either on the receiving end , or are impartial as far as geo goes.
Disturbing that this is widespread. I can vouch for it too. We have seen that our Brit VP protected the worst managers and director. Shame !
Some folks are selected based on "functionality" . E,g , one particular function might be deemed more useful for the company than others, so even an average performing mgr or egr might be asked to stay back.
Since the process is opaque (unfortunately, it cannot be democratic either), there are finite chances of nepotism creeping in. If a particular decision maker has worked 15+ years with a person, met their family and kids, its difficult to let them go in favor of a similar or slightly better performing IC/Mgr who is just a few years old.
We have definitely seen British supporting their own kind. I am not racist, but we all talk about it in our group, and its an open secret that Brits support their own kind. Havent seen any such evidence for AMER or APAC, these latter folks are either on the receiving end , or are impartial as far as geo goes.
Stay focused on sharing news, instead of questioning our reason for reading this site. There are other places you can be judgemental and share your deep-thoughts on - FB, LinkedIn.
For authentic "Mgr" question, i report into ES org.
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Which VP are the directors and managers on this thread members of? Initials will do to vouch for your authenticity.
OB2KbLN-toc never claimed he is a director- couldn't find it anywhere.
By the way, i personally know NCG s with starting salary >125k and IC4 earning 85k (he left last year) in the same org.
The starting salaries of NCGs comes from a separate budget and is based on market rates for college recruiting. Once you get in, your comp comes from ur organizations bucket which is why your raises may be poor and at some point u earn lesser than NCG s. It's a terrible structure, but at least you should be aware of it.
Everyone who has been criticizing managers/directors for spending time on this site -
Do you honestly tell me that you have never opened a News Page or a Social media page during your entire day? Many of these posts weren't even made during work hours (there is something called timezone people)
Besides Oracle doesn't pay managers to spend ALL their time on work. That is called slavery. Managers have a job to do and it is well within reason for them read this site every now and then.
Just because you got fired or had a terrible manager don't vent your frustration on all of mankind.
By the way, you may have noticed even managers are getting laid off. Why should they not be informed of the rumors like anybody else?
And no. I'm not a manager or HR. Just someone who calls out lack of common sense and empathy.
Our M8 reads this site. Everyone has time.
I am sure Oracle's shareholders would love to know how the company's overpaid officers spend their time improving efficiencies and maximizing shareholder value.
You do seem to have a lot of free time on your hands. Maybe Oracle should RIF you, because I cannot imagine how your spending time on this board on company money adds any value.
Unless, of course, you get paid to linger around here, and lie for pay.
Our M8 reads this site. Everyone has time. Sorry fired person.
As a self-proclaimed Director, you seem to be spending a lot of time on this board.
Shouldn't you be Director-ing instead?
Or maybe you aren't really a Director at all. Only on the Internet.
Fired? How dare you give this sh-- to you ex colleagues?! @toc
I don't know what group you were in prior to getting fired, but many groups have starting salaries for their college graduates > that number.
I don't feel like arguing on an anonymous message board with someone who obviously had a bad day some time ago and won't let it go. Go you.
With reduction in force exercises you start from the bottom based upon your focal rankings.
That is a bold-faced lie.
The only two things that matter are: (a) how much one gets paid and (b) how threatened a Director feels about an ic4 or ic5 in their group.
If you get paid over $125K/year, you are ic4 or ic5 and you have an established reputation as a subject matter expert, you're on the chopping block.
They don't need no steenkin' brains over at Oracle. Cheap and docile who s----up to management. That's what they're looking for.
Appreciate the managers and directors who responded.
Gives us faith that there are some good souls in management too, unlike what most posts would have us believe.
Director here. The process is org dependent.
With reduction in force exercises you start from the bottom based upon your focal rankings. Some individuals consult with their m2 or m3s.
Not everyone involved in the process is a jerk. Sometimes tough business decisions need to be made. This process is similar at all companies I have worked at.
Think of it as a random process with a hit of a--hole behavior from your manager, director and Vp thrown in for good measure
As a manager, I can confirm that we are not consulted. The directors submit a list based on their orders, the list is culled by VP and HR , HR check with legal to get a good mix across different ages , race and gender, confirms the list back to VP. VP finally OKs it, which is mostly rubber-stamping. HR them prepares package, and in most cases directors themselves don't know till the one day before RIF how many and which folks. Managers come to know about a day before or sometimes the same day.
How do Directors prepare their list ? That's a mystery , but most anecdotal evidence.points to :
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Stack ranks from last year
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Individual feedbacks over the years, which might be anecdotal but still something of a weightage
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Relying in some snitches within departments , ie their favorite person to get some more info
But these lists are again spot modified by VP, before he passes to HR for checking age and other distribution.
In the end, your performance doesn't count for lot, as your managers have no input into the firing. Your stack rank in previous years is a bit of a guide, but you won't be aware of it as it's a closed door exercise.
this is Oracle, it does not matter, get it?
But still. Managers out there, please respond. What's the criteria ?
If you say it's performance I'll assume u are a HR spammer because in many cases the top engineers got kicked out - and I am talking singlehanded experts who were key to the project here, not just best member of an otherwise terrible team.
You should get out before happen if you worry, it doesn't matter how they pick people on the list.