Thread regarding Hewlett Packard Enterprise (HPE) layoffs

FORCED RANKING...a counter-productive concept.

I've worked at HP for years. I left the company on my own last year because I found a job opportunity. I was working at the Houston factory floor at HPE. Before I was WFR'd, I took notice certian types of people. Yes, we had a few "bad apples" who were lazy or did not pull their weight. Let me concoct and categorize / group the characters of those on the floor. A) The favorites - whom the supervisors protect the most or are clueless of brown-nosers. B) The lazy, C) The Soft-Spoken (the quiet and most under recognized), D) The out-spoken.

Not going off real data here, but let me give a rough estimate the percentages of which ones were WFR'd first, why I firmly believe that this happened, why it is extremely dangerous for a corporation to trust this system in the fact that they are trusting majority of individuals who do not have the best interests of this company but rather themselves.

The following percentage (by category) that I estimate that got WFR'd

A) The Favorites - 2% got laid off due to the supervisor's lack of actual management skills and judgment who ALL have demonstrated favoritism who love brown-nosers who MOST are the "Snakes" and most untalented but just knows how to "advertise themselves" as hard workers. (Except for one supervisor who I know that excersiced good judgment. That lone supervisor, I was told just recently left the company. Why?...because this is what happened to all the good ones...they all leave either through layoffs or they were smart enough to have another company take notice of their talent a.nd pro-activeness to search for a good job. HPE's loss.)

B) The Lazy - 80%, Honestly most of them were layed off, so I think in this aspect the system took care of this...but with unintended consequences (I'll get to that later).

C) The Soft-Spoken - 80%, most of these guys were very talented, but did not expose/flaunt their talents for the majority unobserving supervisors to take notice due to their low-key personalities. I felt so bad for many of those that did not deserve this.

D) The out-spoken - 25%. Those that were out spoken who got WFR'd were mainly because those ones had the "called it like it was" mentality, who the supervisors did not like because they dont want the hear the truth and those that called the Sup's out for favoritism, or that butted heads with the "Favorites". The "Good" out-spoken people who did not get WFR'd, a few are willing to stick around for a package who are waiting for the chance to get WFR'd or found jobs on their own based on their talents, honesty, and pro-activeness. The "Bad" out-spoken individuals are those that bark, play politics, and have no talent.

The Unintended Results/Consequences for the company:

Based on my experience, I've noticed that most of the workers who are left are 65% snakes, brown nosers, and about 35% of the others are actual good workers. The problem is that the snakes have marketed themselves so well, either by throwing the others under the bus, or by brown-nosing. Looking at the big picture of the factory floor, it has now become a TOXIC mess. Very few are left that speak their minds and are honest. I know this one individual, whom I am still surprised is still there, he is very good at what he does and speaks his mind who is brilliant in investing who trained me, gave me lots of good advice and helped me when no one else did (at work and outside of it). But as he told me, that he is just there for circumstance and waiting for a package. This person is so outspoken, he swings away at the supervisors who demonstrate favoritism, very talented guy, technically savvy at work and home and walks with a sense of confidence. This guy, I truly admire as I've seen him stand up for the workers there even though many have tried to throw him under the bus. Most workers are now afraid to stand up and speak out, but this guy still has it and not lost his sense of honesty. HPE honestly, needs more people like him. HPE, I'm sure will find a way to lose him, no doubt. Very few of the good ones stick around. They are either hoping to get a package or another company will snatch them up as they are talented, pro-active by nature, and are out there actively looking. Eventually HPE will be left with a bunch of snakes. FORCED RANKING has created this environment. This system promotes individualism rather than teamwork. People do not want to share their knowledge to others because they dont want the man next to him to get the better grade. It hinders cooperation and creates an atmosphere of "every man for himself" way of thinking. Forced ranking is making HPE less progressive. If HPE continues this system, they will find themselves with individuals who will not promote teamwork and therefore will not promote a productive environment at the best that it could be. It is sad that HPE, (who needs the workers now more than ever due to Mexico's work that may come back), is still stuck on maintaining this negative system when other major companies have taken notice to the points that I've mentioned. Forced Ranking will never be a "Teamwork" promoting system. It promotes exactly the opposite. I am sure that many of you who are still working here, know what I am talking about. And btw...most of the supervisors on that factory floor have no previous experience or even a degree in management, who lack judgment making abilities, and do not know their own people as they follow the advice from the brown nosers. This also contributes to the toxicity of the environment. If HPE wants to fix things, they need to rid themselves of ALL the supervisors in favor of those that treat the employees better with fairness and remove that ranking system.

I hope for the best to all those that deserve it, and wish them luck moving forward. HPE does not deserve the good ones. HPE has been cut-throat and have not been loyal to them and therefore, the company does not deserve loyalty. Loyalty should only be given to those that return that favor.

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Post ID: @OP+M9NxruH

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"You can take a lower job grade, you know... Still allowed, last I heard..."

I was a high level engineer in an area that I was expert on. I got moved to new positions twice where I was the new kid on the block. I asked to move to a lower curve for exactly that reason and was denied. They also have a policy that you can't change jobs more than once every 2 years, they count moves that they mandated. If I were paranoid (realistic?) I'd say that it wasn't a coincidence that I was WFR'd.

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Post ID: @3rly+M9NxruH

"...already decided and the scores worked backwards to justify it."

Yup-yup-yo, and more layoffs to go!

And I suspect that when they give you a "job grade promotion without a raise", they are doing this, so that they can justify harsher reviews, which in turn, can justify you getting laid off! "Well, after all, you are an expert-grade expert now, we expect you to invent ant-gravity." And if you don't? Well, them selecting you for being laid off is then clearly justified. Spook and cow you into not suing for age discrimination, when they immediately replace you with a youngster, is also what they are doing... "See, we have the performance review to PROVE you deserved to be laid off."

If you get a "job grade promotion without a raise", it means, start looking for a new job, inside or outside of HPE! You can take a lower job grade, you know... Still allowed, last I heard...

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Post ID: @3yum+M9NxruH

We heard on the grapevine that there were to be 3 people going in my area. That was a month or so ago, before any grading officially started. The team contains people of 5 different jobcodes each of which got its own pool consisting of people across the country.

Two pools got dissolved. But guess what. An amazing 'coincidence' means that each of the 3 remaining pools has shed 1 person from our team.

I now believe in homeopathic medicine and fairies because only a fool would believe the individuals were already decided and the scores worked backwards to justify it. Right?

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Post ID: @3fmk+M9NxruH

"Forced rankings are a copout for poor managers"

Right-on! Some managers are so lazy that they take the "jokes" that your co-workers make about your tech incompetence.... "Funny" jokes, ha-ha... And they turn the jokes into your review! So your "funny" co-workers get to write YOUR review for you, to THEIR benefit! And clueless management can NOT see the conflicts of interests... Duh!

(It gets to the point where, even if you no NOT believe in playing awful office politics, you have to devote 25% or more, of your workplace efforts, into fending off the "jokers", just to keep your job.)

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Post ID: @2tfl+M9NxruH

Forced rankings are a copout for poor managers

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Post ID: @2uns+M9NxruH

Ive worked at HP for more than 20 years, and the OP hit the nail on the head. I left last year. I've never seen it this bad. Toxic indeed. What do you think will happen if you have a bunch of desperate people in a room to fight for their survival or in this case their pay checks? What is happening here is that you have a bunch of hungry dogs starving and you put one bone for them to eat. What do you think them dogs are going to do? Play teamwork? HPE's ranking system is demoralizing, sad, and simply immoral. How do you expect Managers to review everyone by their work ethics when all the WFR's have gotten rid of most of the bad apples already? When you have 5 people working their tails off with the same quality of work, how does HPE expect to review them? The only thing left to do is pick who you favor the most. Favoritism is unavoidable. What else can you go off of? It is inevitable if this keeps going on. Sad reality for workers at HPE. If anyone of you have common sense, its just best to move on and find somewhere where you can put your mind at ease and actually find job security. I know people who have moved to other major factories in Houston, Austin, Dallas, and San Antonio. I know 2 that used their Lean training on their resume that got jobs at the Toyota plant in San Antonio, and even the new Gigafactory in Nevada. Also I know some who moved onto Dell, and in Austin, there are plenty of IT jobs available. Look around, use HP on your resumes and move on to more secure places. Afterall, HPE is not offering you guys security or loyalty, return the favor.

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Post ID: @2csh+M9NxruH

The HP way is long, long gone. Bill and Dave would be turning in their graves. It's all about short term shareholder gain these days.

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Post ID: @abh+M9NxruH

@rsw I am a recent hire right out of college and I was told the same thing about ranking.

I am sad about the culture of the company. I talk to people who have been around 30+ years because I value their insight. I hear about the "HP Way" and what an exciting place it was to work. What happened to that? It is no longer about making good products. It's about Wall Street numbers. I wonder what Bill and Dave would say if they were around.

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Post ID: @sas+M9NxruH

Or @dwt

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Post ID: @abs+M9NxruH

Hey @rsw you are replying to @rwt

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Post ID: @ecg+M9NxruH

Hi MRP (Most Recent Poster),

From your comment, I suspect that you'd be interested to read the posts under "Headline for HPE layoffs", 4 top-level postings down (older)... Please read those posts if you haven't already.

Unless you get really-really lucky, in your particular (immediate) spot at HPE, you'd be well advised to bail on out after a year or two... This ship is floundering, and the over-all work environment gets progressively more and more toxic...

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Post ID: @rsw+M9NxruH

as a new hire, I was effectively told that it was impossible to get the highest ranking because I was being compared to people who had been with the company 20+ years. wtf hahaha

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Post ID: @dwt+M9NxruH

My experience as an engineer has been that the people who stay are those who best play the game (under forced distribution) of making their co-workers look bad, so that they look better, in comparison. The OP (Original Poster) here is correct.... Quiet, humble team players get shown the door, under clueless management... Which is to say, MOST of the management! Management consultants have been saying the same thing for years and years now... That forced distribution rankings work for a few years at most, at driving out the deadwood. After that, they become vastly counter-productive, in killing teamwork and in rewarding back-stabbery. The egotists running HP (and then HPE), will NOT listen to this obvious truth, though. Their egos get in the way. If they let go of their ideas about their infallibility, HPE (and they) could make more money, actually... But they'd rather make LESS money, and stroke their egos!

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Post ID: @mzd+M9NxruH

Your categories are quite stereotypical. Been at HP since the 70s and my viewpoint leans a different direction. Regardless of HP CEO, BOD, economy, or WW political climate the people who tend to stay employed are the self motivated producers. Convincing your supervisor to give you a low ranking speaks to your exclusion from this list. Adios.

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Post ID: @tdu+M9NxruH

Oh, btw, I convinced my supervisor to get me the lowest grade so that I could get a package as I secured another job.

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Post ID: @wvg+M9NxruH

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