Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Here's a question, here in California we have had some meetings with our management team. These f---ing a--holes try to explain why we're going to f--- over your family and so on. Then you have the idiots respond on this sounding board. "Oh be prepared, it's a free market, oh it's business" Funny thing is, any a--hole that says that is a over paid sh-- head manager at Oracle. Why: they didn't get f---ed like a lot of us. And the fact that won't man up "sorry you Hillary supports" or woman up, their cowards; trying to cover their own asses. So bend over, smile, be a "A" s-xual person and take it up the a-- as you get your f---ing check. So f--- you and f--- you.

So to every manager at Oracle, mostly the f---ing idiots under Solaris development. F--- you.

1) Notified they are probably 'safe' for the moment; 2) Pushed to relocate to other parts of Oracle; 3) Already notified of termination (several China-based Solaris groups, for example); 4) Totally in the dark (meaning that they are likely on the lists turned over to HR this week for termination next month)

Number one, B.S. Unless your a US employee, you don't find out until the day you're fired. There is no safe area's, only bone headed management trying to protect their solaris a-- kissers. I hope every Senior director that has solaris development gets to experience what all the rest of us a-- holes feel. So F--- you Oracle and f--- off.

Hey You really think Trump gives a dam person - there is a simple way to find out: get in touch with him and let him know about the purported Jan 17 RIF - see what if anything he does about it

KTCW4qz-isxu:

Good Grief.

Ignore previous post, wrong thread...

@2xvt

Oracle as a company is just sticking to the different local regulations (in this case, probably to its dislike), so this is not a case of Oracle being nicer to employees in certain geos.

Thank your local labor regulations. or lack thereoff.

You can use Signal to get in touch with the NYT

What's sropping you from letting Triump and the media know?! Just do it !

I hear Jan 17th now, will it be a phone call from your manager (who will also be RIFed likely the same day) or a FedEx package or an email ? Or hr calling an in person meeting ?

I wonder if Trump comes to know about this, what would he have to say. He just saved Carrier and Ford from outsourcing.

I totally failed to manage properly. LE is punishing me and rightly so. I have to cut 50% this month. My head count is about 4000. Solaris 12 is dead. SPARC is not going to be continued much longer. Much of the systems and storage hardware groups are gone before Jan 31; x86 will continue and will use Linux. Frankly I apologize for being so full of myself. I should have been canned along with my dear friend My Little Pony!

I have friends in QA and they all pretty much confirm this. I do understand business decisions, but it doesn't mean I have to agree with or like them. Would be nice to see Fujitsu pick up the slack in both technology and manpower, but I suppose that is wishful thinking.

"Wow. I am surprised and shocked/sorry to learn that your director told you to "Don't make waves. Don't challenge policies. NEVER challenge management. DO NOT ASK FOR A RAISE...."

Don't be. Actually, the person who delivered that message from our director was a manager inserted into our structure that had waaaay too many managers in the first place, which reflects other comments here.

"And that's why Sun lost so much money and sold itself to Oracle. Oracle is the new owner and you have to follow it's rules and regulations. Sun was a badly managed company, no fiscal discipline. We all should be grateful to Oracle. I do still see a lot of ex-Sun b---s---s going on at Oracle till these days."

What is "b---s---s"? True, Sun didn't always have a lot of grownups running the show. The largest failure, other than making Johnathan Swartz the CEO, was their failure to properly monetize not only their products but the technical support. You could buy the cheapest Ultra 1 workstation, then call in to get service on your E25k, and that was a mild case. Sure, Oracle fixed that but killed the Solaris business with their reputation. Unless you were already beholden to Oracle, no one wanted to deal with them. Oracle didn't care, they had grand plans for making Solaris the "Cloud OS" for their Engineered Systems. How is that working out for them? Still in touch with many of my former co-workers and hope they will be OK.

Oracle is a big, f.c.ing bureaucracy, the federal government pales in comparison. Unfortunately, the people being RIFed are not the useless bureaucrats. Go figure

@KTCW4qz-efok

As contrast, Systems teams usually have upwards 15-20 engineers reporting to a manager, whereas in my area, it's normally 8-9-max 10.

That is a load of bull.

I am personally aware of a group in Systems where the number of managers QUADRUPLED after the Oracle acquisition. Before the acquisition, the group had 1 manager for 6 engineers. After the acquisition, the number of managers grew to FOUR. The number of engineers stayed the same.

FOUR managers for 6 engineers. None of these middle-managers were technical. The only three things these morons could do were: (a) slides (b) invent more politics and process that got in the way of getting things done and (c) schedule and endless stream of meetings to go through their latest slide deck, as a group exercise.

None of this is an aberration. This is the standard inside Oracle. Read the Oracle employee reviews at Glassdoor and stop pretending you are SHOCKED.

The managers hired by Sun were technical indeed, but most of managers hired by Oracle for Systems are non-technical, they are good at writing slides, good at presentations, but the fact is they are 100% for management, not covering any product development, the worst thing would be they always have 'opinions' and 'suggestions' in development, which is the worst thing to engineers...

@efok:

"As contrast, Systems teams usually have upwards 15-20 engineers reporting to a manager, whereas in my area, it's normally 8-9-max 10."

Another way of looking at this, the "Oracle pure breed" orgs have twice as many managers as it is necessary. Knowing as I do the workload some of those groups you mention have (used to have?), I can assure they are far from overstaffed.

"Managers in systems are non-technical, whereas managers at Oracle (at least my area) are technical."

That's just b---s---. It just so happens that a lot of managers in Systems are former staff engineers.

One last thought, as much as I understand the intent with "Oracle this" vs "System that", last time I checked Systems was part of Oracle and has been for quite some time. Which means we're all in the same boat. You just happen to be in the comfy part of the boat listening to the violins while some of us are busy with the buckets of water.

@KTCW4qz-5fal

Wow. I am surprised and shocked/sorry to learn that your director told you to "Don't make waves. Don't challenge policies. NEVER challenge management. DO NOT ASK FOR A RAISE...."

I am a long-time Oracle employee, and to be very honest, I have been very happy with the way they treat me. I am involved in technical architecture of one of our most prominent products, and we challenge ideas and argue about policies. We also challenge management, though I never have to ask for a raise cause they just come pretty steadily, at least for me and few other groups.

I was forwarded this thread by a friend (not Oracle), and was reading through a lot of interesting stuff. It is interesting to see outsiders' perspective about Oracle, especially those who are just acquired. I am still totally shocked to read this particular comment because we have been working with Sun at a technical capacity even before the acquisition and it is shocking to see how some/many just may not be aware of how we/Oracle operate. Those Sun engineers who we work with know very well that work culture (in technical areas at least) in our 2 companies don't differ much.

Anyway, yes, many have said: Oracle is about bottom line. If you are good, you probably will be moved to other areas because we definitely love talented people/engineers. That said, there's only so much room/headcount to be filled. I understand (from observing Systems group post acquisition) there are many Systems teams who just have way more people for the same amount of functions we do here at Oracle. As contrast, Systems teams usually have upwards 15-20 engineers reporting to a manager, whereas in my area, it's normally 8-9-max 10. Managers in systems are non-technical, whereas managers at Oracle (at least my area) are technical. I guess it's cultural.

Best of luck to you all. Hope you find what you are looking for.

@akln: Don't waste your time arguing, the guy is either a troll -vocational or on payroll- or plain stupid. Everybody in Systems knows that Solaris 12 is dead and buried, what matters to us is to get updates on RIFs and the likes. Don't feed the troll.

akiy don't be a liar.

Solaris 12 is dead a brand and I guess they will drop the most important features in an 11.4 release.

Oracle is calling this "a continuos delivery" strategy, they know how to sell smoke...

I can't paste the email here but it was confirmed by a Senior Director on SaND domain, so again, please stop lying

What's with the trash talk here about Solaris? S12 is NOT cancelled and is due for delivery in 2017. There are a bunch of trolls on this board planting FUD. Don't fall for it.

I sure remember 2009 and 2010. The NA hardware and software Sun support managers had open checkbooks to travel to South America to staff the new team there in Chile. The existing engineers were mandated to act as mentors and provide information transfers and the like. It was difficult in many ways. The engineers who they hired had computer educations, however many had never touched a computer during their time in school. Some of them rose to the task, some left for better jobs, some turned into customer ignorers and SR dumpers, and eventually that Chile entire team was RIF'd in favor of Romania, from what I am reading here.

@9zin

sorry to disappoint you but it's not.

@KTCW4qz-8ggx:

Yes, Solaris 12 is dead.

Btw, Solaris 12 is not dead. That is BS to say it is.

@ KTCW4qz-7sxy

Oracle gets rid of parts of the business that don't make money. Oracle exists to make money not to break even or go red. They exist to MAKE MONEY so nothing else matters to the bottom line. That's no different from the majority of public traded corps like Oracle. If a business isn't viable they shut it down. Employees in such areas don't hate Oracle for taking the action. We understand the business ramifications.

@ KTCW4qz-8dco

I do wonder if you ever worked for Sun or Oracle. Since Oracle took over the Systems BU there has been SEVEN years of stability with new hardware and software consistently funded. The Systems BU went on a massive hiring spree after the closing of the takeover. This has been the most stable period for Systems since the 90s. Systems even had an open checkbook for business travel.

Or maybe you're a squealer who didn't like that there is a singular way to work at Oracle, the Oracle way. Unfortunately for a lot of very senior engineering staff, they tried to rebel and rock the boat like they could at Sun but Sun != Oracle so they were told to STFU or leave. A lot left and continued squealing in the press but the rank and file got on with the jobs. The rank and file are the people who don't have the luxury of leaving as they have mortgages to pay.

We're all grateful to Oracle for the years of stability and understand the situation that we're in due to falling sales.

@KTCW4qz-5vzd

You're a massive idiot who doesn't have the faintest clue of what they are talking about. Oracle's invasive changes into the Systems business literally started from day one. R&D cuts to the bone had already taken place to all of the x-Sun groups (both sw and hw) long ago, and now they are cutting through the bone to sever the limbs completely. Even growing and profitable products/technologies like Java are suffering the "death of a million cuts".

MH and his buddies have no interest in the long term success of Oracle, our customers, the employees, or even our stock holders. All they care about is short term bonuses they personaly get by making Oracle look good on paper for a few more quarters.

Company is huge and inefficeint they need to cut at least 20-30% to get inline with earnings and the future market.

Wake up and smell the coffee- there is no org at oracle that's safe. If you're not on the chopping block this week, just wait till next week. With declining revenues MH and SC are desperate to hit their profit targets and get their $15m bonuses (they didn't get them last fiscal), so you and your little a-- and your feelings are irrelevant. If getting rid of you will get them closer to getting their bonuses - to hell with you!

I heard x86 got RIF also. Are they part of the looming cuts and reorg?

@@KTCW4qz-6kjs well said. This company does not give a damn about its employees and all middle managers just look after themselves. They are Oh we're so pretty, Oh so pretty , vacant

At least ONE ORCL executive stood up for his beliefs and resigned over Trump. It is like Vichy France and the resistance. !

Merry Xmas

x86 rules today but ARM will be a threat to it down the road. Especially as ARM gets faster, more cores, and is more efficient.

Time to start accepting the future. I was surprised to see a hardware developer opening in Burlington for x86 when these RiF is ready to occur. What's with that?

@KTCW4qz-5vzd:

go f?ck yourself with your toxic propagenda. Most of the happy oracle employees are now from romania and india. The old loyal employees have been RIFed. you 'll learn it the hard way soon, clown !!!

Just look at what MH accomplished at HP - that's oracle's future right there: same strategy (endless cost cutting/layoffs) - same results (utter failure and break up). Doing the same thing over and over again hoping for different results is commonly know as the very definition of stupidity.

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@Anonymous OMC is Oracle Marketing Cloud . The RIFs are happening everywhere. CX is having it too.

If you're not aggressively looking for another job, why not? You' re toast, get off your a-- and start networking!

Yes, this is the situation that I got from the conversation I had with others.

Many even mentioned that if this time are not affected, but next time will come if the system/Sparc is not doing well.

I agree someone posted that Oracle/Sun should go with Linux long time ago. The entire system got influenced and kidnapped by some of the Solaris "architect", and too long. Sun executives should had started dual OS for Sparc long time back.

Now the serious issue is the trend of moving to the cloud. More and more companies will not buy systems, and managed them by themselves. They will rent computers from the cloud.

The cloud companies are going with the whitebox for the sake of cost.

Can Oracle expensive systems survive ?

Can Sparc chip survive in long run ?

Obviously, there is no chance for them to survive if they are just generic CPU or systems. The only chance that they can survive is the tight integration/optimization with the SW (especially the database).

Make the Sparc systems run faster, and much faster for the Oracle database.