All hands meetings being cancelled on orders from legal to prevent news from spreading.
Hardware teams being told to cease development.
There will be no Solaris 12, final release will be 11.4.
Orders coming straight from Larry.
No info on timing yet.
@4ccm - I am hoping you are correct... I also hope this forces Oracle to publish an updated roadmap. We as customers deserve it.
Finally, everyone here agrees - this is just a rumor as of now.
A friend working a Oracle told me a few years ago, that Oracle has the policy not to comment on rumors like this one (especially on some strange website). The reason she told me is simple: Once you start commenting on one, you give more credibility to the ones you don't comment later. It never commented to the steadily reappearing rumors that SPARC and Solaris would be killed later the acquisition of Sun, and now we are at 11.3 and M7/S7. I remember that competitors came into our offices and speculated all day long about the demise of both. Oracle later published a roadmap because we as customers wanted it, but they never commented in a public way on those rumors.
I further think it hard to believe that people where informed on "you stay" meeting and those report their knowledge to this forum (which would be in my company a breach of confidentiality) , but not to the press and foremost not to their colleagues not to be informed, colleagues you are friends with or at least have worked for years. You inform all at once, because things like that are almost impossible to keep secret. That just doesn't sound sound.
Furthermore the list of allegedly axed systems looks strange: Somebody says S is dead and T is dead and M has a future. When you moving all the company in the direction of cloud as many have stated here, you don't use the largest systems, you use the small or middle sized systems. A rumor axing the M-Class would make more sense than a rumor axing the T- and S-class, especially when looking to my datacenter.
It may be true or not, but something here is strange about this rumor.
Okay I can accept whole tes being cut but not to have meetings with them letting them know when other meetings are going on is just ridiculous to believe. Think about it.
@4aba each org is looking at a cut of 50% in headcount. Teams that are being migrated, and teams with significant headcounts preserved are getting meetings sharing plans. Teams that are being cut entirely are not getting meetings, yes, there are entire teams that will be cut.
You know what folks? Time to update your resume and think about getting out. I don't want to believe this either, but something tells me there is enough truth to this rumor that I'd be a fool not to try and get the hell out while I can.
Any updates?
@ 100% guy
Was anyone let go today? What orgs are referencing? Can you speak to locations?
I agree with part of your post but I doubt this rumor board will stop LE and MH. Who will even confirm it when they let of couple thousand people?
Did the teams have meetings? You sound like only whole teams will be canceled not individuals in those teams. If teams don't get notified they are out that makes little sense. They wil hear it from other coworkers keeping them out of a meeting implies you are out makes nonsense.
Yes there were employee updates, no one is going to put their name on any of this though. I can 100% confirm that this is happening, every team that has headcount allocated to it has been notified. If you are SW or HW in this org and have not had your meetings, you are on the chopping block.
The only reason for it to maybe not happen right now is literally because of this posting, right here, making global news. LE wanted a quiet mass layoff without attention, and this posting ruined it. Short term it might be delayed, but the die is already cast.
I will not surprise if it comes true. You have a number of examples from Oracle how they treat acquired products.
Agree with you on one thing. Sun couldn't have been bought by a worse company. Oracle is the worst tech company in the industry. Diplorable and yet the cult of LE continues to take the crumbs he throws out. What's in the water over there?
But, why did this rumor take off even though we cannot confirm it?
It'd because everyone IS EXPECTING THIS to happen - we are on our toes ready to jump, we are so expecting it. I am not saying that people like it, it's just that we know how Oracle treats their acquired products that it makes us anxious that our loved platform is to be let to wither and die.
So, true or not, we will continue to be anxious and saddened... Oracle should have never bought it in the first place...
The fact is this: Oracle is silent. We had no employee updates today. We need to have a reasonably sound leak in order to continue speculating on this. We had some folks promise they will post updates, none of that materialized today. For now, I am filing this in my "Possible but unlikely" bin...
Me thinks that going forward oracle is first and foremost a SaaS company, that's what LE is investing in, everything else is irrelevant and will soon be gone unless it lines up to supporting SaaS. From there draw your own conclusions!
I do not work at Oracle but I was a big fan of OpenSolaris - Oracle shut it down without ever announcing anything - there were rumors, people talked but Oracle said nothing. They know that this news all over the boards, Reddit was on fire and Hacker News had it at the top of the front page - there is a storm of tweets on it as well, Oracle has to know.
If they wanted they could have stopped all of this by simply saying: We are committed to XYZ and we'll do ABC... But they chose to stay silent, amazing...
-3dto
Can't really stand stupid people, hence the anger. People should stick to facts and rumors, not personal opinions which are mistaken by a lot of people as either facts or rumors.
Funny thing is this is newsworthy to people but the itanium fiasco was not, neither the aix development cuts... If you want to hate someone then you find every excuse to. The devil used to be MS in the good old days. Now it's oracle. I dont really care who it is, I only care about my family, my planet and my pocket, in that order. The fact that people go out of their way to hate is what gets me.
Yes hardware is declining and every hw vendor is in trouble because the world revolves around stocks, which revolves around growth, which now is cloud. So f---ing what....? Next fad will change that and we'll be hunting that instead. We also may be hating another large enterprise.
who knows, maybe AWS will do something to piss the trolls off.
End of rant (not rank)
-3fgw
Haha love your rankings but can't help but think your the biggest LE cult member ever! I know you been going off on this post with your Oracles the best rants. Ha! I can't wait to see you when MH is done with you.
I'm not the poster you are addressing and true the yearly revenue declines don't show the losses in hw but if you dig into the financials and realize how much dev costs go into sparc you'll see there's no business case. Also sparc is not the oracle cloud. They will not be filling the cloud with sparc servers. IBM is leaps and bounds better positioned to stay in the tech race than oracle. Oracle is behind the right ball. The sparc market declines are due to a lot of things and part of it is that the market doesn't support sparc. Few need it or want it. You sound very frustrated maybe you need some anger management too. Poor guy take some meds.
@3sac when you say "6 years of hw losses is a fact" what exactly do you mean?
I think you (and others) have no idea what you are talking about and shouldn't be voicing financial terms which are either misconstrued or you are spreading deliberate misinformation. Oracle doesn't lose money on h/w, quite the opposite. any negative numbers you see on earnings reports are declining revenues compared to the same quarter of last fiscal year. Still Oracle makes a sh---load of money from that.
Oh, and if you think Oracle is in hardware troubles, go check IBM's 17+ quarters of declining revenues and let me know if you now have an inkling of the reality. on-premise h/w is a steadily declining h/w market - f o r - e v e r y o n e. still Oracle has the advantage of owing the stack and building their cloud on their - o w n - s t a c k.
there is one or more of a few things happening here, either this is true (doubt it) or this is a competitor ploy (maybe, probably not), or an investor is making a sh--load of money from gullible people by manipulating percentages of the stock price (who knows?). Most likely there is some truth (maybe 2 words out of the whole post) which has been taken out of context and been exploited by a third-party that has something to gain
The tea leaves have been read and the server market is also giving you another big sign. If you don't want to believe it that's up to you. Not sure how we can prove it on this posting. When people get walked out and start posting we will know what went down. Most cases oracle gives no warning of RIF intentions.
Doesn't matter if it's true or not. 6 years of hw losses is a fact. How much more time/money is Oracle going to dump into to it. 6 more years worth, doubt it. End of story.
@3mxa or the only source of this rumor is this site and so we still don't know if it's fake or truth.
@3mxa - maybe this whole news hoopla will force Oracle to reconsider (if they planned cuts)?
This is what The Register reported - they are also hearing rumors but cannot confirm anything, therefore they are reluctant to announce Solaris EOL...
Our best efforts have not been able to verify the rumours. Oracle has denied it. A user tells us Solaris will be moved to maintenance mode and resources moved to Linux. That’s not quite enough for us to do a story. One of our sources is personally familiar with the dev Solaris team. If you know more, feel free to let us know news@theregister.co.uk
@3wit probably because when you have the right (((CEO))) and (((executives)) the (((media))) will circle the wagons to protect them and never report negatively.
3rvo
Good pt. this company is really effective at not communicating any negative publicity on itself. Somehow I am not sure how it gets away with it. Includes laying of thousands under the radar.
They tried company denied it. So wait and see.
Remember when Oracle announced the OpenSolaris shutdown? They didn't. They didn't ever officially talk about it. The best public mention was Shapiro's leaked email - which wasn't even close to what we now know they did - Shapiro's promised late source drops.
This is how Oracle handled the OpenSolaris shutdown - total silence. What they really intended was never told or even leaked.
There is one thing that disturbs me about this: When even the Register doesn't hop onto this story, it says a lot about the validity of it.
Fake news guy - If that makes you feel better.
Great, well right now there's no independent verification of any of this. Zip. For now file under: Fake News.
No way to know if all is fiction can't PST names and details. The mind deals with facts and data if you need a heart change go call a priest or something. Believe what you need to believe so you can get through the day buddy. In the end only time will tell.
This entire thread -- totally anon thread -- is complete fiction. If it isn't, then prove it. Because anon postings don't win hearts and minds.
Thanks for the insight from the customer perspective. Do you see further erosion with oracle database customers going to AWS?
Writing was on the wall. Took almost two years for SPARC release of the Oracle VM Server after the VM server for x86. I prepared my client by moving from LDOM to HyperV, VirtualBox, and other virtualization solutions. Moved all solutions off the SPARC except the database on SPARC. Will move primary database from SPARC this month. Could deploy solution to Intel chips with linux within a month if required as server is tomcat. I suspect that the SPARC will only be kept for the big data appliance (all in one solution for customer) in the future. All in all, it is what I expect from Oracle and is the reason (besides money) that I move my client toward more open source.
Michael A is a Facebook troll , hope its not true but it could be !
Sparc is on it's way out. No doubt with this current tech spending downturn.
It was hw people that heard the Solaris rumor first and spread it.
@3emn Sonoma is dead. Solaris is (dead)... in maintenance mode. If SPARC doesn't show good results in cloud, MH/LE will axe that too. It's just a matter of months 👍🏼
oracle makes 3 different kinds of sparc servers, the t, s, and m series.
if what that poster is saying is true, then personally i would be quite surprised that the chips are being EOLd.
this thread was originally about Solaris only, but now has migrated to rumors about chip design
Is this hw dev also? Burlington?