Thread regarding Verizon Communications Inc. layoffs

Easy. Send it all to India, the company will make more money and important jobs such as Engineering will stay!

As prosperity is increasing in India even Indians have started to understand the flavors of H1B Slavery. In the past conditions in India were so dire that many people thought $60k H1B slavery for 10 - 15 years was worth more than being left behind in India but that has changed now.

As a matter of fact a economic class of 1990s are no longer dreaming to come to USA for $60K a year. We are getting the new dirt poor economic class who is still willing to slave themselves for $60k a year/80 hours a week.

Exactly. That's been going on since at least the mid 90s.

Another way, this "really works" (at least in the past). At some point American companies weren't allowed to hire H1B if qualified Americans were available. If they had no qualified American candidates they could hire an H1B worker.

When my brother, who is a software engineer, would apply for a job, they would have impossible requirements. For example – they would require five years experience on software that had only been in existence for a year. Obviously no one could meet the requirements of the job, under those circumstances.

So when American workers "didn't qualify", they could interview H1B candidates, who weren't required to qualify.

The big corporations pulled this scam over and over again.

@10nAepw2-2exu Unfortunately the companies and many politicians support this. Its up to us to oppose them

@10nAepw2-2xfa - Dont let stupids lead you to the wrong definition of capitalism. You can lose your job to anyone within the boundry of a Nation, thats just competition but if the rich and powerful immigrate people for the sole intention of bringing down the wages for natives you need to call that out.

Yes..IBM and Verizon can operate their business from India and hire all the Indians they want there. But in USA they need to hire Americans.

If your job can adequately be done by a 60K/yr immigrant, then I guess it doesn't make sense for the company to pay you 150K to do the same thing. So it drives down wages towards an equilibrium. If you want to be paid more than twice what a dude from India would get, then I guess you better get to work proving you're worth it. It's the circle of life, dude. My dad lost his job in the 70s when the industry he was in moved south to hire people who would work for peanuts. The Carolinas lost those jobs later to the Far East for the same reason, and now they are losing to Vietnam, Thailand, and Indonesia. You want to make the big bucks, then roll with the changes and find some way to show you are better.

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Correct more corruption from SA and VG

I am not blaming the capitalist immigrants on this. I am blaming the capitalist corporatists, the capitalist politicians, lazy and unproductive managers who are dependent of slave labor, and the industry around it.

A poor immigrant is taking on 15 - 20 years of slavery for the sake of his family. How can we be racist against the poor immigrant. This poor immigrant is immigrating in the states in the same scenarios as how all the poor/starving/sick Europeans migrated to USA with hopes of better lives for their family.

Verizon Wireless stopped doing new visa sponsorship about 13 years ago because it wasn't needed. It suddenly became necessary to have visa sponsorship in wireless again when Verizon took over. Wireless takeover was a great expansion of the hiring friends and family or getting kickbacks program for Verizon IT managers.

ALL publicly traded companies abuse the system. This is not isolated to Verizon.

The visa process and abuse in IT is about a lack of leadership. Mgrs and directors want like people ( look at SA and VG) and hire sponsored employees for entry level and common skill jobs. I worked for three VPs and only one pushed back on the abuse and he was let go. It’s about leadership and the current IT leadership abuses the system

You are correct sir. Just look at SA and VG. How a one time temp IT work on H1B visa became executives in the same company 20 years later. That is what the H1B candidates are looking for their hard work of 80 hrs a week and minimum salary of $60k. They are betting on the future like SA and VG. H1Bs like SA and VG won, companies like VZ won with cheap labor, American consumers won too in a way for cheaper products and services, but displaced American IT workers lost.

I dare Bezos and Kochs and their cronie political partners to offer foreigners a straight up green card if we need more IT help.

I am open for bringing in foreigners as we need it because we want to remain as a " number one" market for innovations. We want to outrace any other country in technology and if we need to hoard talent or just workers for that reason i am all for it. But lets give them a standard work permit for 6 years. Let them compete with Americans and let them have freedom to move in and out of the companies with their choice for that given period of work permit. Let them go in and out of country for that given period of time. Lets not tie them with any crazy visa slavery rules. Will the corporate America do that? absolutely not because the goal of H1B visa is not to fill the unfilled tech position, it is to drive down the IT wages. If you bring foreign workers with freedom to switch the companies and freedom to move around they will compete for $150K jobs. The market will be for $150K average and not $60K average. Also the slave mongering managers will not be able to work someone 80 hrs a week for $60K salary.

@10nAepw2-1nyk Very well put.

The only thing i would add is. Because of the other 3 points, a slew of companies have sprung up supplying these H1 contractors to hiring companies. These consulting companies (not all) have started multiple corrupt practices - False resume (they frequently add years of fake experience), bribing hiring managers, taking a huge cut from the hourly rate etc

@10nAepw2 - Here is the scam in this whole H1B deal.

Firstly a Macro scam - The Gates, Kochs, Bezos, wanting to keep the IT wages as cheap as possible so that they can keep on becoming more and more successful capitalists. More they bring from outside lower the IT wage goes. They will partner/finance their corrupt politicians mostly Republicans and some Democrats too to make this happen legally and politically.

Second Scam: The H1B jobs were marketed and sold to Americans as a temporary position that could not be filled at a "moment". This was not supposed to be a path to green card or the citizenship but since with the help of our capitalist players and corrupt politicians the "moment" could be defined for any numbers of years now. There was a reason why H1B were given for 3 years first and another 3 if needed...then the lawyers and our famous politicians opened further extension to it and now its almost like one can spend his whole career on work visa. The pay in H1B visa is so low that most foreign workers would not want to come live in the USA for that $60K salary. for eg quality of life with $20k in India is far more better than the quality of life with $60K in USA. But yet many foreigners will come sacrifice the 15 years of their lives here in the hopes of better lives for their kids. Thats the investment they are doing. What that investment does to USA is that now the IT Wages will stick around $60 forever. They can easlity tell an American that if you do not want $75k for this $150K job i have an indian wanting to work for $60K. The immigrant already knows what he is investing in. He does not care much about the low wages now. He is thinking about hat $150k he is going to make after 15 years and the future of his kids.

The third scam: Those are the American Hiring managers mostly whites, those lazy bunch has become so addicted to cheap labor, the yes sirs, and pleasing their own bosses by reducing the cost in their department that they simply do not care about anything else. Those fraudsters will get a cheap labor that works for $60k year 80 hours a week and sleeps at home easy. He gets his bonus and he loves his " hard working foreigners". Almost like the juice of slavery that has missed couple generations in his family is back to his generation in the form of H1Bs.

The bottom line is that the H1B were supposed to be temporary and every foreign worker should accept the job thinking its a temp position and then look to go back.

H1Bs cost US citizens jobs and lower the US standard of living. Furthermore, the incoming H1Bs are not very talented as the H1B resource pool has been drained.

The H1b visa process should be ended. There are plenty of Americans that need jobs.

The immigration laws of the USA need to be changed if you do not want to attract immigrants. As long as there is a legal process, you would see legal immigrants in your workplace. Work with your Congressman/woman, Senators and the President to completely shut down legal immigration.
I personally would vote for a candidate who supports a merit-based legal immigration system since I believe in America the melting pot. I understand a lot of folks would have lost the sense of where they originally came from. Love and hugs to Native Indians for welcoming immigrants to their shores!

Try hiring an American for a change.

Trust me - Pitchai or Nadella are no Einsteins and I really have no sympathy for them as long as more qualified American citizens are being displaced by them.