Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

Thinking of jumping aboard the stagecoach? Be sure to do it with your eyes wide open.

I know this is a layoffs site, but since potential job applicants peruse these boards I thought it’d be helpful to provide some insight into what’s been going on lately within the bank. Note that these observations are my own, and I don’t speak for all employees. Also, I’ve tried to be factual and objective in all cases, but I apologize in advance if I’ve failed, and I ask those more informed to correct me or add color where necessary.

Note that this is my experience, and the experiences of others may differ. Note also that I’ve been with the bank almost twenty years, and I’m in a non-hub location and expect to be let go at any time due to the location strategy. Perhaps someone reading this will be my replacement.

PTO
Starting at 18 days plus holidays for new hires, PTO is very generous. At ten years you receive another five days, and at 25 years you receive yet another five – if you can make it that long.

HOLIDAYS
Wells Fargo observes 11 holidays and also grants each employee two personal holidays, for a total of 104 holiday hours. Like PTO, also generous.

BONUSES
Employees who are bonus eligible used to have a bonus target (i.e., 15% of your salary) that was then funded to some degree by the board at the time of payout. For example, a bonus-eligible person making 80K might have a bonus target of 15% ($12K), and that 15% might be funded at 80% ($9600). Bonus targets since last year are said to be tied to our new forced ranking system, meaning a poor performer theoretically should receive a smaller bonus than a high performer (assuming the same salary). Starting 2021, bonus targets are going away, leaving bonus amounts/distributions solely up to management. This year they’re said to be in line with last year, but the next year it could be anybody’s guess. Going forward there will be zero transparency around bonuses.

SEVERANCE
Generally, severance is two weeks for every year served, and there’s a minimum and maximum payout that I don’t have at my fingertips. There’s been rumors for years that Wells will be reducing this, but it hasn’t happened yet.

FORCED RANKING
I forget the policy (and it seems it's not strongly enforced), but employees are now ranked by managers in a bell-like performance distribution curve against their peers. Theoretically higher-ranking employees will receive better bonuses and are eligible for higher raises (maybe 0.5% instead of 1.5%, for example), but there’s zero transparency, and in the end you end up only with a rank of 1 to 5 (and some equivalent verbiage) and have no idea how you stack against your peers.

PENSION
Wells used to have a Cash Balance Plan, but it stopped contributing to it several years ago. The accounts still exist and grow, however, for those who were enrolled at the time.

RETIREMENT
Wells offers generous 401k matching at 6%, but unlike in years past – when it contributed quarterly – the company contributes only annually, at the end of the year – and you have to be employed up to a certain point in time in order to receive it. This annual match has reduced the growth potential for employees' retirement accounts due to the loss of compounding. This change in matching contribution timing benefits Wells Fargo at the expense of employees. Also just announced is three-year vesting for new hires.

BYOD
Wells Fargo has dispensed with providing phones for most employees and now embraces Bring Your Own Device (BYOD). Employees not wanting Wells to have access to their personal phones can rely on soft phones on their computers. It is unclear how this will affect things when business travel becomes common again. Additionally, it's rumored that Wells will stop supplying at least remote employees with laptops, forcing them to install a client on their personal computer that will allow them to access a remote VDI (basically your home computer is controlling a remote computer). How employees will be able to work during business travel is yet another unknown.

JOB FAMILIES
Wells is undergoing an effort to drastically reduce the number of job titles throughout the bank. In itself, that’s not a bad thing. However, posted salaries for jobs used to have a floor, a ceiling, and a midpoint (which for all practical purposes was the ceiling). With the rollout of a new HR system, they’re doing away with midpoints and simply giving ranges. This is said to help provide managers with more discretion when giving raises, but we all know that’s not how it will play out.

PROMOTIONS
Promotions in place are extremely rare; if you want to move up, you generally have to apply for another position outside your line of business or leave Wells Fargo altogether. People often do the latter, only to return a few months later after accepting a higher role in the same organization they left. Remember: the only way up is out. Note that it’s not uncommon for managers to promote you but not provide a lift in salary; this results in more responsibilities for the same compensation.

RAISES
For most people, annual raises range generally from 1% to 2%, with 1.5% seemingly being the most commonly cited. This does not keep up with inflation, so if you're in a role long enough – receiving only a "merit increase" year after year – eventually you'll be paid less (relatively speaking) than when you started, when inflation is taken into account. As with promotions, raises greater than, say, 2% are extremely rare, and if you want more money you’ll either need to be promoted (unlikely to happen, and possibly no raise if it miraculously does) or move within or outside the bank.

SPANS AND LAYERS
This year upper management pushed a “spans and layers” strategy in an effort to flatten the organization. Previously, many managers had maybe 1-3 direct reports and were also essentially individual contributors. With spans and layers, managers who couldn’t be saddled with 7 direct reports (and they’re allegedly moving to 10) were either turned into individual contributors (ICs) or were let go. Unfortunately, many of these managers were “working” managers who had to either continue the work they already owned or find a subordinate to offload it on. Also, a major side effect is that it makes it darned near impossible to gain management experience because a team member would have to move from being an IC to someone managing 7 to 10 people. It’s a system that will inevitably set up new managers for failure.

DE&I
While most employees embrace our Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DE&I) initiatives, the bank has pushed DE&I so strongly that it’s become off-putting to many – alienating many who’d otherwise be supportive as well as those it’s designed to benefit. The way many of us see it, the problem with diversity isn’t so much down in the ranks – it’s at the top. Look at the makeup of the board and senior executives. What management should consider is focusing on DE&I at the upper levels while improving the overall employee experience for the rest of us.

TRAINING
Unless you’re maybe in Technology, which has access to Pluralsight, training is a joke. Year after year many of us have been told there isn’t any money in the training budget, yet somehow we find ourselves having to come up with development plans and pull the funding for it out of our as--s. When asked about budget, you’ll be told to watch a bunch of 5-minute videos in Develop You, maybe expense a book, or do it on your own time/dime. For many of us, gone are the days when the bank would send us to a class to learn a new skill or tool.

TUITION REIMBURSEMENT
Wells offers tuition reimbursement at $5K/year. This is great if you’re wanting to take a one-off class or pursue an undergraduate degree over time. But it’s a drop in the bucket if you want to, say, earn a $75K MBA – unless you spread it out over a 10-year period. Caution: Don't expect a raise or promotion just because you earned an MBA.

RTO
Given some recent communications from upper management, Wells seems he-l bent on return to office (RTO), despite the majority of eligible workers against it and a workforce that is growing more global by the day. With other employers embracing remote work and eager to poach Wells’ refugees, management’s decision to dig in its heels on RTO is astonishing and seems designed to encourage attrition.

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Post ID: @OP+1edNhPVF

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"And that 5k tuition reimbursement has been the same amount since I started long long ago."

Same here. It's always been near worthless.

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Post ID: @2dhq+1edNhPVF

Scharf is a sociopath. But since Wells goes through CEOs like I go through doors, he probably won't last long.

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Post ID: @1wln+1edNhPVF

Truist and Wells Fargo have nothing in common. Truist still has a small defined benefit pension, contributes to HSAs for ALL teammates, vacation days that are fully seperate from vacation days (20 vacation and 8 sick days), well cheaper health care costs for teammates, sane and accessible leadership. Wells Fargo pushes "employees" into its own cr---y 401k investment choices for self-dealing while at Truist you can invest in literally any option Fidelity has available. Truist has a voluntary retirement severance program. But most importantly of all, it is not under the thumb of the OCC and Fed for having ripped off millions customers. So Truist will be investing in and growing its businesses, while WF will do nothing but layoff and shrink. How do I know all this? I just left the he-l ho-e of WF for the much greener pastures at Truist and it was the best decision ever.

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Post ID: @1qjv+1edNhPVF

Thank you for this. I'm at a competitor bank that's going through the biggest disaster of a "merger of equals" between two polar opposite banks that no one asked for. Some can guess what this big bank may be with the worst possible name they could've come up with. But this sums up most of what I'm going through "there" as well.
Thanks for sharing this.

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Post ID: @1ind+1edNhPVF

And they closed all the museums!! And some people have to desk share, and we still don’t know what schedules were working a month from now for anyone lucky enough to work hybrid.

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Post ID: @1uvt+1edNhPVF

This is by far the most coherent, on topic, and useful thread I've seen here in a while.

This company has great placement and brand assets and could be a real powerhouse ("The Bank That Works") again one day with good leadership and competent decision makers. It's unfortunate that we're not on that path right now.

There are simply too many people in the upper ranks playing for optics and short-term wins. It feels like noone in a position to make a difference cares for whatever it this behemoth has become, and that's an insidious thing. It gets harder and harder to believe in your work when it's clear as day that the power players are selfish short-timers.

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Post ID: @1ocy+1edNhPVF

This was like, a very detailed and accurate depiction. Almost like a very sad end of year reflection.

But we’ll done OP!

Only thing I would add also would be when our health insurance switching from United health to Aetna, and the constant increases in premiums. Oof. This stings for me.

And that 5k tuition reimbursement has been the same amount since I started long long ago. It hardly covered 2 classes a year for me then (which is why I stopped taking them) and I can’t imagine with college prices now. It’s a shame.

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Post ID: @1lyz+1edNhPVF

I got one of those surveys today and wrote actual comments this morning that almost exactly mirror this. Seeing this post reinforces my personal options and experiences. Thank you for voicing these facts and actually embracing candor.

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Post ID: @1hhg+1edNhPVF

Great post. My opinion is that they really don't value people here. It's quite shocking the changes that have been made here in the past few years. I specifically wanted to come work here because it was a old west coast firm. Fast forward a few years and it's run just like any other globo mega bank.
Benefits are good, I like all the PTO but they really sc--w you when it comes to raises and bonuses. I have never seen a number even close to my target bonus.
The only thing that seems to matter any more around here is DEI. So sick and tired of some other diversity dimension or mis-under-whatever represented group getting front page attention on the intranet. BTW no, I'm not a bigot, but you have to agree with me that Teamworks used to have fun and interesting articles about work and professional development, etc. Now it's at least once a week another DEI article gets shoved down our throats. I just want to be left alone to work. And I find it amusing when straight white men that hire all their buddies from Chase and BNY Mellon explain to us how woke they are.
But, if you like white men that virtue signal how diverse and inclusive they are, you might like it here.

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Post ID: @1way+1edNhPVF

This is a well-organized, thoughtful, and informational post (also accurate, a rarity online).

For people considering making a switch, I strongly encourage looking at each of these benefits and evaluating which are important to you and ranking them, and using that to support finding companies that support your priorities.

In my case, I realized that PTO isn't something I prioritize. I rarely use it (at ~6 weeks plus holidays every year, I was regularly forfeiting 3-4 weeks). Opportunity, tuition reimbursement, raises were much more important to me. Also, the desire to get distance from the "fluid" nature of the company's communications. "Agility" at Wells Fargo is now simply a cover word for "we're not sure what our direction is or how to communicate it but we're doing something" and it was invaluable to me to leave that environment and move to a company where agility meant "we have clearly defined and prioritized problems, with a desired end state, and everything we do is to get us closer to that end state."

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Post ID: @1nyw+1edNhPVF

@hxq+1edNhPVF, I can't remember the minimum weeks, but there is a 60-day notice period, and that may be working or non-working, depending on several factors -- most importantly being whether or not you're in a position to sabotage, etc. For example, a server administrator would be sent packing immediately.

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Post ID: @nbl+1edNhPVF

I thought people said you receive a 60 day notice + minimum 8 weeks severance regardless of tenure

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Post ID: @hxq+1edNhPVF

Well done, OP! The good, the bad and the ugly presented in a clear, informative and non-emotional way to anyone considering working for WF.

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Post ID: @nek+1edNhPVF

@wxh I recall semi-annual reviews most of the time I was at Wells starting a decade ago.

To the OP's second post here:

I was demoted at Wells when tech did the last title change, from senior to associate. This is in spite of the fact that:

  • I had earned multiple patents for Wells (no one else on my team had done so)
  • I had created many best-in-the-world algorithms for Wells that weren't patented
  • I had been featured in worldwide advertising for them for free
  • My boss told me I was the only one on the team who could do my role (he called me his special forces)
  • The previous head of CIB tech would call me personally to solve programming bugs on other teams after he gave them some months to spin their wheels on it and got tired of waiting

Meanwhile a teammate who did no engineering was promoted to the highest possible engineering title at Wells. Reason? He sat next to the boss's boss in another city.

Naturally, I waited for my bonus and jumped ship for a role that matches my resume'. My boss offered to counter, but I told him there was no way Wells would authorize the 60% bump it would take to match.

The only way to advance at Wells is to kiss the rear end of the person who can advance you. And that's rarely your boss. As demonstrated amply above, actually achieving things for the company is a career dead end.

If you are mediocre and love the taste of sphincter, you can go far at Wells. That's a lot of people! And if you fit that profile, Wells is the place for you!

If you are actually talented you will never meaningfully advance, and you should run, far and fast, screaming.

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Post ID: @jko+1edNhPVF

Sounds right on to me! I think most of us are most annoyed by RTO and Location Strategy, but 100% agree it’s completely on purpose to achieve their attrition goals. Sad state of affairs.

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Post ID: @mac+1edNhPVF

Fantastic post, and quite eye opening for me. I’ve always said that I will never think Wells is taking DEI seriously until they replace the top executives. Let’s see how that works out.
One correction - you get an extra week PTO after 3 years, and then another at 10.

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Post ID: @bws+1edNhPVF

@tel+1edNhPVF, I've also heard from reliable sources that therapists are making a fortune on Wells team members at the moment.

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Post ID: @bxz+1edNhPVF

Bravo, OP. Great info for all.

Quick additions:

+5 days PTO at year 3

16 weeks paid parental leave

and, according to a friend who once worked for a vendor contracted through our care line, an incredibly high instance of serious mental illness among employees (like, a level unheard of among other companies they contracted with). I, for one, believe it. Just look at this board.

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Post ID: @tel+1edNhPVF

I'd like to add that we moved from annual reviews to semi-annual reviews. Between that change and the forced rankings, managers are taking a beating.

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Post ID: @wxh+1edNhPVF

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LOCATION STRATEGY
Also known as the hub approach, the company’s been pushing a location strategy since well before COVID (which temporarily threw a wrench into the plans). A thorough, consistent, explanation of what’s happening has never been given to those of us in the lower ranks, but I’ll summarize what I think I understand. At the top, management identified maybe nine large cities that it wanted an employee presence in -- with the intent of pulling employees not in these locations. Each line of business (LOB) then identified maybe four of those cities to focus on. LOBs can now (with apparently some exceptions) hire ONLY in their subset of hub cities. Employees not in hub cities can expect to be let go eventually (we’re frequently told we’re okay “for now”), and even if we manage to hang on indefinitely due to some exception, we may face challenges getting promoted or even applying for jobs in the LOBs we’re already in. Additionally, since LOBs’ hub cities may not overlap, if you’re interested in applying for another job but not located in one of the target LOB’s hub cities you will be SOL unless you’re willing to move. This policy has effectively ended the career aspirations for many.

CHAOS
The bank’s experienced a lot of chaos over the last few years – some of it legitimately earned due to problems it’s brought on itself, and some of it due to decisions made by new management. Let’s see all the changes that have been or are being implemented since “Chainsaw Charlie” Scharf became CEO just over two years ago (and, BTW, the stock price is lower than when he started and the asset cap is still in place):

  • Most of us in constant threat of being laid off
  • 401k matching moved from quarterly to annually
  • Forced ranking
  • Less transparency around bonuses
  • Less transparency around pay structures and raises
  • Work cell phones taken away and replaced with BYOD; soon to apply to other devices
  • Attrition out the a-s – rumor is that more people are quitting than can be replaced, overwhelming both HR and recruiters
  • Hard to find talent with upper management insistent on as--s in seats rather than remote
  • Since when folks leave the work doesn’t go with them, those left behind due to attrition/layoffs are taking on a lot of additional work, and many of them are getting fed up with management
  • Some critical business functions/systems showing signs of stress due to skilled workers and institutional knowledge walking out the door
  • Moving from one HR system to a new HR system while simultaneously moving from one issue tracking system to a new issue tracking system
  • Location strategy
  • RTO
  • Spans and layers
  • Capped bonuses and frozen salaries for some higher-wage earning ICs
  • Three-year 401k vesting period for new employees
  • We’re now referred to as employees instead of team members
  • Morale is in the toilet across the board and the worst I’ve seen it since I was hired
  • Seemingly every single action taken by upper management since Charlie's hiring seems to be designed to encourage voluntary attrition

I may have further thoughts and will add them as they come to mind. Thanks for taking the time to read this, and I encourage other team members to comment/contribute as they see fit.

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