Thread regarding Verizon Wireless layoffs

Life After VZW

Left VZW 5+ years ago after a 2 decade + career. Leaving VZW was the best thing I ever did for my career.

I learned a lot at the company and was able to use my skillset to go elsewhere. I am WAY more happy in life now.

I was on conference calls 80% + daily with Leadership demanding updated PowerPoints (Google Slides) every second of the day. I recall being coached for HOURS and spending literally 8 hours on 1 PowerPoint (later Google Slides) slide with 5 bullet-points. I am NOT making this up.

I know many of you still have pride in the company and that is great... but know there is life after VZW. I enjoyed the company for years until I could just not take the wasteful time we spent on things such as 1 PPT slides for HOURS that would take 60 seconds to cover on a call. When I spoke up to let Leadership know that we should focus on other more important and pressing things my life got worse. They would demand more updates. Most of leadership didn't even know how to tweak a PPT slide. It was Jack, please change the indent on this bullet-point and resend it back. Resend... no wait, we need this in Google Slides not PPT... Oh wait the Executives are not using Google Slides and need it in PPT.. send it back NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW.

Thankfully I thrived in the environment for years and could easily adapt. Now I am as happy as ever in my second career and look forward to retiring in several years.

Friends and family still reach out to me for guidance. What is funny is the customer service has gotten WAY worse the past 5 years. When people tell me the frustration they have with trying to get issues fixed it reminds me that the company that once said they would never outsource overseas just seems to have caved to trying to make the company more efficient. Sadly, all I did to help the company get better seems lost after VSP engulfed myself and many of my co-workers.

Best of luck to everyone still in the matrix at VZW.

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Post ID: @OP+1vnW3XR3

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@ala+1vnW3XR3

Wow the memories from some of those names! Kin 1/Kin 2 has to be one of my favorites. Sure it was not a Verizon product but it was an massive partnership.

I mean how could you have launched a "smartphone" of sorts that wasn't really a smartphone and didn't require a data package in an era when ahh yeahhh.. smartphones were all the rage and were ramping up big time! Well I think one of the Kin phones did and one didn't require a data plan. https://medium.com/techtalkers/microsoft-kin-the-billion-dollar-smartphone-disaster-982043c52f91

I still remember when AT&T launched the iPhone and VZW was losing customers like crazy. That was a major move on AT&T's part at the time. Verizon was like hey we have the BlackBerry Curve and ahh the Juke phone. Here is the press release: https://www.verizon.com/about/news/vzw/2007/10/pr2007-10-17

Lets not forget mail-in rebates. We all know why MIR are done in the first place... often people forget to send them in... but we had escalation after escalation over lost or "never received" MIR in this era. Verizon knew it may have been bad business to lose the MIRs but they were locked into a contract so it was no big deal. They slammed the call centers with calls and told the Directors to buckle down and DO NOT ISSUE credits for these type of things. Call centers that denied credits pi---d off customers but kept their credits low so they were in good standing with Leadership. Greenville call center was often regarded as the best of the best in every metric. Rumors were swirling the Director was sleeping with staff and that of course helped keep the stats in check.

Anyone remember that show Airline tv show that was on A&E? It showed what the airline staff had to deal with on a day to day basis. We all wished Verizon would have a show like this to air out all the dirty laundry of leadership sleeping with staff, customers threatening people which you were not allowed to hang up on, out source call centers promising the world to customers and never following up. Tell me that would not have been a #1 show!?!

https://www.slashgear.com/1223624/the-short-lived-life-of-microsoft-kin-what-went-wrong/

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Post ID: @qlhl+1vnW3XR3

@ala+1vnW3XR3 there has to be list somewhere of all the retired products and timelines of how long they lasted! We have so many horror stories of hitting customers with all the "features" the company pushed down our throats. DMs were the king and queens of "don't help customers, send them to customer service... get back to selling." The same customers all the stores would slam with features would walk back in the next month upset over their first bill. Nothing brought the Mgr more joy than telling them "we can't help. Call customer service. Ask for a Supervisor and escalate if you need to."

Our store had a habitual guy that would return stuff almost as a fetish. He would buy something, walk to his car and open it and then walk back in and say "I don't want it. Give me a worry guarantee or I'll call corporate." Even though the Manager told us we were worthless for allowing returns, he would succumb to the pressure of this weirdo. The guy returned 10-18 items a MONTH. We tried to get the manager to take the blame since he told us "don't let customers return things" but like much of leadership, he was all talk.

We started just telling customers to cancel their lines and get new promos because they were way better. Everyday at this store was like being on a TV show. Someone mentioned Office Space above.... to us it was like The Office tv show daily.

One time the DM came in upset that a light bulb that no one could see was not working. Meanwhile the entire sales team in the store was disgruntled. The DM had been busted for a DWI and was being chauffeured around in his car by a "driver." How could anyone take this person seriously? Ahh the days of $uckery!

Oh one more thing, the days of sell tablets to everyone and they need MiFi devices to. When we said what about the hotspot on the phone, the store manager's response was "a hotspot does not help you hit your sales target. push the products that do or you will be on a improvement plan and gone in a few months." Doing the company surveys only made things worse. We knew the DMs were getting the survey data and they would want to retaliate.

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Post ID: @ehks+1vnW3XR3

@lrl+1vnW3XR3 I knew I was forgetting a few!

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Post ID: @etgh+1vnW3XR3

@2epb+1vnW3XR3 well said and great post! Congrats! This truly reinforces there is life after the big red bars!

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Post ID: @ereh+1vnW3XR3

@7psw+1vnW3XR3 I get what your saying. Have you thought about wring a script for Office Space 2 yet? LOL. Who doesn't love the cult classic Office Space. We have all learned a thing or two from Peter Gibbons.

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Post ID: @erql+1vnW3XR3

@7vrz+1vnW3XR3 well said!!!

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Post ID: @eumd+1vnW3XR3

Same. Left the company and got a better job paying more where I'm busy but day is spent actually contributing to real things instead of projects that don't change anything except what a higher up can claim they did at end of the year. Its so much more rewarding to know when I'm pinged it's with an actual question that matters. I go into meetings that have a purpose and don't start with an ice breaker in an attempt to fix the culture issues poor pay and lack of respect create. Leaders actually know what you're doing and can help if you have a question.

Life after Verizon could not be better. You all are worth far more than they are paying you, get all you can for your resume and then gtfo.

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Post ID: @7vrz+1vnW3XR3

I worked for big red for 9 years and I could not be happier once I left. I have my own business now and make way more money than I ever did at VZ. The only good thing to come out of working for this slave ship was the friends I still have to this day. Its like we have a bonding experience over the same abusive relationship. Most of my friends from verizon also left and are much happier and making more money. I f'd off a lot working there but when I look back on it, I kind of wish I f'd off even more. My job felt meaningless. I just showed up for the hourly check and mentally checked out. I hated selling all the terrible products they shoved at us. My favorite to make fun of is the Hum. I had a manager tell us during a meeting that if we didn't start selling Hums that we wouldn't have a job in a year. I worked another 3 years after that and never sold them so he was full of kool aid. I do remember go90 and ISIS mobile wallet and RGF's (revenue generating features) hahahahaha this company is so good at smoke and mirrors. Does anyone really think a commission plan with an "sales bucket" isn't just a convoluted way of telling you that you actually only make $2 per sale? And the mobile POS systems never worked. I used to tell my customers, sorry my tablet isn't working again... all I can really do is take a deep breathe and lower my standards. And they would laugh, but my GM didn't think it was very funny. She kept telling my I wasn't allowed to say that to my customers. I said it anyway. I'm not going to look d-mb for this company. If they aren't going to give me a system that works and not give me some kind of break on my quota then F em. If you still work here, do yourself a favor and look long and hard in the mirror. Ask yourself if the abusive relationship is even worth the unlivable hourly wages.

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Post ID: @7psw+1vnW3XR3

Great post. I used to check this website every Fall for years, seeing if there would be any clues my role was in danger. In early 2021 in the interest of being held accountable to it, I told everyone on my team I would be leaving by the end of that year. Leading up to that point, I completely maxed out my vacation so be able to walk away with that pay as well. As fate would have it, I was offered a VSP in Feb 2021 and never looked back. "Are you sure you don't to apply to a different role?" Absolutely not.

I was tired for working for a company who pretty much forced me to lie and "bundle" packages together via the "net cost" strategy to get over on innocent people. If I didn't, I could be secret shopped by my DM if my employees weren't executing those immoral strategies. I did an honest job and brought the store's NPS up from almost dead last in a region of 100 stores to the top 10 in a matter of months. My employees were happy and so were our customers. It's what the also Credo says mattered. It didn't.

For years I would watch the stores everyone knew was cheating get all the praise and promotions. It was evident in their NPS verbatim, all the churn reporting we had access to and the icing on the cake was watching them take their employees to the chopping block when they got greedy with the very things their bosses taught them. What a gross culture. I was so sick of it.

But I, like you, had bills to pay. So I did what I had to do.

My saving grace was getting a role in Indirect. By far the easiest years of my life. I was making 6 figures to drive my car from store to store talking to Best Buy, Costco and Target reps about our promos. No wonder people did that role for 15+ years as much as they did.

But, I knew I wanted more. So I would maximize my car time listening to podcasts on all things business and real estate. I would devour books on my lunch breaks.

I was grateful for the I had while beginning to pursue the life I wanted instead.

I learned a lot of good things at Verizon. Consistency, following the ETR model, discipline, checklists. I was there at a time when making 6 figures as a retail sales rep was not rare. Knowing how little those same reps are making 15 years later watching layoff after layoff round and now outsourcing to other countries reaffirms my decision. There are simply far fewer steps on the Verizon ladder today and anyone in denial will reap what they sow. It cannot and will not improve. Many American companies are currently increasing profitability only via outsourcing. The health of the stock market does not correlate to the strength of the overall economy.

So if you're still at Verizon and rightfully confused and frustrated, "be grateful for the life that you have while you build the life that you want."

So many of you are so talented and are simply handcuffed by fear. Start part time. Try the thing, see if you like it. It's not as crowded as you may think. So many service providers and companies are terrible at what they do and you can take what you learned at Verizon and play to your strengths to build something on your terms.

I earn an honest living as a realtor and contractor now. 2023 was admittedly challenging but almost in line with what I last made at Verizon. But this year my income will be triple that of last year, that's the life of a self employed person. Paying for my own health insurance is a drop in the bucket when compared to what I have gained.

Please don't waste your life doing something you don't enjoy. It's true. As you age and start losing your loved ones and mobility, no amount of money in the bank account will be worth it. Verizon is not the end all be all. Nobody cared when I left and it wasn't even my actual boss who broke the news, I didn't even know the person. When you do what you're good at and enjoy but is also needed in the market, you'll be just fine and more.

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Post ID: @2epb+1vnW3XR3

This sounds a lot like my work life. I VSPd and my last day can't come fast enough.

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Post ID: @2kwz+1vnW3XR3

To @hlk+1vnW3XR3 above. Congratulations and well said. I wish you all the success. The hardest part is knowing all the hard work we all put in and that some won't really ever care after we leave. I had a colleague who would always say "guys, we are not curing cancer here." It really hit me one day that leadership had us (well myself) running around like a chicken with my head cut off for years.... acting like it was the end of the world. Well the last day I worked for VZW it was surreal. No one called me to thank me for the year of service. I had so many files on my Google Drive and shared folder and no one wanted any of it. I recall just signing out and turning in my PC and it was like I had never worked there. I went and said goodbye to 2 people I had worked with for years and went home.

The day after I was approved for the VSP our Director called. The person asked if I was happy with my decision and I confirmed I was. I still had 3-4 months to work if I recall correctly. I told her that when someone I knew retired from VZ (note it was not VZW) they took said person out to lunch on their last day. They said you can spend $15 on lunch. That was it. The person's co-workers put together a few bucks to buy the person a plaque for retiring with 30 years service. The company did nothing else for said person. When the Director asked why I wanted to leave.. I told the person that story and asked "why would I want to stay around 7-8 years and retire here? What is VZW going to do for me other than provide a salary the next several years. What will I earn for retiring at VZW?" The person had no answer. That solidified my decision. Sure it was a great paying job but the stress and b_llshIt was not worth it anymore. I haven't been on this site in 5+ years but wanted to drop by today to share my experience in case it helps anyone else out!

Again, best of luck to you!

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Post ID: @xbf+1vnW3XR3

To the comment below, you are missing:

Microsoft Kin

Verizon Hub

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Post ID: @lrl+1vnW3XR3

I have share similar experiences, and decided to take VSP this recent round. I do think Power Point design has the ability to make you think of a situation and design a solution, but I do agree the over use of it, and concern with formatting vs spending time on the actual problem was out of control. Layer on top of that ongoing employee consolidation and reorganizations, and it created an environment where progress of solutions was difficult. VZ spends more time on reorgs and rifs then it does building solutions to make the business better. For those reasons, I was out. Yes, organizational effectiveness and operational efficiency is important to any company, but I want to be part of a company with a vision and drive towards future growth.

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Post ID: @hlk+1vnW3XR3

I worked at wireless for years as well. It was funny every time we launched a new product the joke was how long will it last before it was retired (sunset).

Think:

VCast

VCastTV

Migo phone

Home Phone Connect

Go90 - do you even remember this?

3G network

Verizon Messages+ - heard this was sun setting soon from a person I know who still uses it. Why did Verizon even launch a product like this when there were already so many messaging apps in the marketplace? I guess kudos for it lasting as long as it did lol

HopeLine - now this was one that made me scratch my head. A program to help domestic violence was sunset to save money as it was costing too much? Only Verizon could so such a thing...

These are just to name a few. It was like just laugh a product to give teams something to work on. If you tried to call Leadership that the product is not going to be well received for reason xyz, you were looked at like a negative person who needed to get on board and drink the kool-aid.

The best was when tablets became a big thing they would have us slamming customers at stores with tablets. Just add a tablet for FREE! Next month the customer comes back into the store and asks what is this charge per month for a tablet? You said it was FREE? I want to turn it back in. Nope, sorry you can't. Our worry free guarantee is no longer 30 days.. you had 14 days su---r and now you are stuck with it. You want to cancel all 5 lines now? Call customer service I have to get back to slamming tablets on other people now.

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