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Stankey's Retirement SCAM - attn. AT&T Employees & Retirees

As everyone already knows John Stankey is not your friend and is a very unethical dude but beware of one of his latest scams regarding retiree assets!!!

As some retirees already know, their retirement funds are now being paid and controlled by a company called Athene and are no longer managed by AT&T or insured by the federal government.

But this impacts everyone!! All AT&T retirees and employees should be concerned. Below is a synopsis of a recent NYT article regarding this practice.

"Through Athene, an insurer it helped create and later merged with, Apollo acquired portfolios of annuities — a type of insurance policy that guarantees income streams, usually for retirees — from other insurers and used the premiums collected to help expand its lending businesses, from mortgages to aircraft financing.
Athene, which now represents about half of Apollo’s business, also issues annuities and has become the biggest U.S. issuer of such policies. Last year, it managed $236 billions of annuity policies and other securities. The firm’s innovation has spurred several copycats, transforming private equity firms — with many rebranding themselves “alternative asset managers” — into influential players in the insurance industry.
Insurance assets are attractive to private equity firms because they provide so-called permanent capital, which minimizes the need to raise funds from big investors every few years. But the firms’ swift move into insurance has worried regulators, bankers and researchers, including those at the Federal Reserve, because the firms often invest the insurance premiums more aggressively in private markets — which are opaque, hard to value and largely outside the purview of the strict regulation that governs banks — than in securities like U.S. government and corporate bonds.
Although retiree money is not at immediate risk, Fed and university researchers are concerned that the complex and opaque nature of arrangements between some private equity firms and their “captive” insurers could be masking risk building in the system.
“Within days of a P.E. acquisition of an insurance company, they tilt their bond portfolios to riskier assets,” said Natasha Sarin, a professor at Yale Law School who has studied the investments that private equity firms make compared with traditional insurers. U.S. Treasuries and investment grade corporate bonds are among assets considered generally safe."

All other considerations being equal you might want to select the lump sum over the annuity if that is available to you. Your decision!!

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Post ID: @OP+1oVah0Ak

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Run the numbers, see which option works best.

https://www.investor.gov/financial-tools-calculators/calculators/compound-interest-calculator

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Post ID: @2yh6+1oVah0Ak

You can't go wrong with financial advice on anonymous forum.

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Post ID: @3qcy+1oVah0Ak

Take the money and run otherwise you may end up loosing a lot more. Leaving it with att is a big mistake.

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Post ID: @1ilc+1oVah0Ak

Yes, the Stink is a crook. But he was not the only one in a long line of CEO crooks.

Remember back in 1996 T converted to a "Cash Balance" and the new L-T retirement plan was decimated. Many of us were locked in and the pension was effectively reduced by this. So I had to work till I was 65 to get the same L-T annuity payment under the new robbed L-T plan that I would have gotten if I was able to retire at 55 under the old plan. So in effect, I worked 10 extra years for the same pension under the old plan.

The current L-T "annuity" option is a rip off is so many ways. When I left last year before I was decimated yet again, this time under the Stink, I found that if I took the lump sum out before the rates changed in November of last year, and if I were to sink that lump into a insurance annuity, that commercial annuity would pay 20% more a month than L-T annuity the company calculated.

Wanna bet where the Stink gets his cut?

It made absolutely no sense to take the company crooked annuity!

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Post ID: @1qdi+1oVah0Ak

Respected financial advisors almost always advise that you take the lump sum offered and roll it directly into your own IRA.

Also, not all lumps are adversely affected or at all affected by the increased interest rates. Mobility cash balance pensions for instance.

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Post ID: @1arc+1oVah0Ak

Take the lump sum and roll it into an IRA. When the stock market bounces back you'll make up everything you lost due to interest rates and then some.

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Post ID: @1ceq+1oVah0Ak

Unfortunately the lump sum has been hit bad by interest rates and some saying down around 30% for most Leg T. I am in a quandry about lump sum versus annuity at this point as the annuity is not as badly impacted when I ran the numbers. I do not think I will be here long enough for the pension lump sum to ever recover. Sad state without medical benefits now in retirement as most planned on.

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Post ID: @1qyv+1oVah0Ak

So glad I took the lump sum and invested it in a Traditional IRA that I control.

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Post ID: @hos+1oVah0Ak

Not every one has the choice for a lump sum. You have to have age and years. So alot of us vested will have to hope we get our owed pension 15 years from now.

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Post ID: @sbh+1oVah0Ak

Anyone taking the annuity over lump sum is tragically under informed about risk. No one in this day and age should be doing that.

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Post ID: @jsd+1oVah0Ak

If you opt for the annuity, proceed with caution and pray no one files for bankruptcy!

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Post ID: @fdz+1oVah0Ak

It never ends.

I retired last year when the email was circulating about possible 30% loss in pension.
I was advised to take the lump sum.

It's horrible what happens to the people who care about the company and the big wigs who have multimillion dollar homes, bonuses, etc.

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Post ID: @yxk+1oVah0Ak

Thank you for the post, OP! I am one of those that is drawing near to retirement and get a pension. MISERABLE because with high interest rates I know I am completely f#@#!=d over by taking lump sum (could not retire earlier due to personal family issues). Want to take the monthly annuity, would be fine with that guaranteed amount . . . . BUT this is AT&T and management has shown that they believe employees should not be respected, all benefits revoked or substituted with substandard replacements (think medical over last 10-15 years -- what a JOKE) and that they dearly desire to treat employees as indentured servants while they line their pockets as the T-ship sinks!

HATE what this company has become, what upper management has become particularly under the helm of Mr. Stinkey.

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Post ID: @pal+1oVah0Ak

So does this mean they took some of the pension fund and looped it back into the company’s bank accounts. And who skimmed some off the top?

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Post ID: @wcd+1oVah0Ak

Mr. McGuire:
I want to say one word to you. Just one word.

Benjamin:
Yes, sir.

Mr. McGuire:
Are you listening?

Benjamin:
Yes, I am.

Mr. McGuire:
Lump-sum.

Benjamin:
Exactly how do you mean?

Mr. McGuire:
There's a great future in lump-sum. Think about it. Insurance company can go belly up, but you have your money invested elsewhere. Will you think about it?

𝐴𝑝𝑜𝑙𝑜𝑔𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝐶𝑎𝑙𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑊𝑖𝑙𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑔ℎ𝑎𝑚, 𝐵𝑢𝑐𝑘 𝐻𝑒𝑛𝑟𝑦, 𝐶ℎ𝑎𝑟𝑙𝑒𝑠 𝑊𝑒𝑏𝑏, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑀𝑖𝑘𝑒 𝑁𝑖𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑙𝑠

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Post ID: @uzg+1oVah0Ak

NEW YORK – Apollo (NYSE: APO) today announced that, on behalf of its affiliated and third-party insurance clients and other investors, it has agreed to invest $2.0 billion in preferred equity securities to be issued by AT&T Mobility II LLC, a subsidiary of AT&T Inc. (NYSE: T).

Right after we gave them 8 billion for retirees annuities.

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Post ID: @xgt+1oVah0Ak

@guw+1oVah0Ak

You are a defective - this has nothing to do with AT&T.

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Post ID: @bgl+1oVah0Ak

Hunter set up shell companies to hide the assets from the IRS. He wasn’t authorized a lump sum. He was authorized a lump or bruise, and spent the money on hooks and crakk.

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Post ID: @guw+1oVah0Ak

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