Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

Command and control is stifling innovation

The command and control hierarchical structure is the single biggest source of waste and inefficiency bar none. This whole attempt to be agile without the proper organizational restructuring has left everyone in chaos and confusion. Then you have nearly as many managers as you do project members who all have their own agendas, which are never in alignment when it comes to goals or outcomes. As Zuckerberg put it, you have managers managing managers managing managers....

Meanwhile, we have virtually no QA left and teams of engineers are expected to fill the QA gap, but not given the tools, resources or time to execute or document it properly; assuming they even want to. Instead everyone is stuck in this cycle of responding to the shifting of priorities depending on which fool comes to them with the next "urgent" fire drill on any particular day. Because of this, we're just outputting junk. The d-mbasses at the top have this misconception that agile means "work faster with less".

If anything, agile has slowed us way the f down, because we are failing at it. We cannot be agile so long as we have all of these id--tic processes constantly sending everyone on wild goose chases. We spend more time in meetings trying to appease our overlords with status updates than we spend doing actual impactful work.

Tell us your vision, give us solid priorities and excpted outcomes, then give us teams with the requisite knowledge needed to execute on those priorities with as little red tape as possible and we will become agile. Agile doesn't mean faster, agile just means focusing on the highest priority first and reducing waste.

This place freaking suks.

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Post ID: @OP+1w4GkcSH

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The next silver bullet for you guys/gals to know is the "AI control tower". Evolved from the concept of control towers used in supply chain management it first appears as a control of generative AI projects at EY (google "Six pillars for AI success: how the C-suite can drive results"). Our friends at McKinsey and Company have evolved the "AI control tower to develop an efficient, effective, and data-driven approach to software development. Yea, all the sh..t we have heard before.
McKinsey sees the "AI control tower" as the repository to hold the standardized processes and guidelines for AI model development, deployment, and monitoring. They try to go beyond generative AI projects to "enterprise AI".
Anyway "Extracting value from AI in banking: Rewiring the enterprise" is a article that emphasizes that bank's need to "re-wire" its organizations to fully embrace AI, which goes beyond simply deploying AI tools. It requires a fundamental shift in mindset, organizational structure, and operating models. When reading it I got the impression that the author(s) were trying to knock some sense into TK.

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Post ID: @2swg+1w4GkcSH

I'm sure this whole agile thing works great somewhere, but as a project owner, I know what needs to be done, and have for years. It's simply a matter of money. Give it to me and access to an implementation guy and all the rest of the BS can "go". Orrr, hire a small army of highly compensated paper pushing process nerds that roadblock/delay anything useful but can put together mean PowerPoints and dashboards. I mean, that's an option too.

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Post ID: @2nvr+1w4GkcSH

From AI Gemini Flash 2 experimental:


The posts from the layoff site paint a clear picture of a bank struggling with its agile transformation, largely due to a lack of psychological safety and deep-rooted organizational issues. Here's a breakdown:

Can the bank succeed in being agile?

Based on these posts, it's highly unlikely the bank can succeed with its current approach to agile. The overwhelming sentiment is that "agile" is being used as a buzzword or a disguise for traditional waterfall methodologies, rather than a genuine shift in culture and practices. The core problems hindering successful agile adoption include:

Command and control culture: The posts repeatedly emphasize a top-down, hierarchical structure that stifles innovation and creates confusion. This contradicts the fundamental agile principle of self-organizing teams.
Lack of trust and cohesion: Turnover, fear, and internal competition create an environment of distrust, hindering collaboration and open communication.
Misunderstanding of agile principles: Management seems to equate agile with "working faster with less," rather than focusing on value delivery, continuous improvement, and customer feedback.
Ineffective roles and processes: Scrum masters are often misused as "cheerleaders" and "time trackers" instead of servant leaders who remove impediments. Product Owners are described as bullying, and there's a lack of clear product vision and customer focus.
Lack of psychological safety: The posts explicitly mention the absence of a psychologically safe environment, where people fear speaking up, admitting mistakes, or challenging the status quo.
Focus on metrics over outcomes: There's an overemphasis on status updates and metrics that managers don't even understand, rather than focusing on delivering value to customers.
Conflicting agendas and silos: Different departments and management layers have conflicting goals, creating confusion and hindering collaboration.
Does the bank have to become psychologically safe in order for agile to succeed?

Absolutely. Psychological safety is not just a desirable element for agile success; it's a prerequisite. The posts clearly illustrate how the lack of psychological safety undermines every aspect of their agile efforts:

No open communication: Fear of repercussions prevents employees from sharing ideas, raising concerns, or admitting mistakes. This hinders problem-solving, innovation, and continuous improvement.
Ineffective retrospectives: Without psychological safety, retrospectives become blame-shifting sessions rather than opportunities for honest reflection and learning.
Lack of collaboration: Distrust and internal competition prevent teams from working effectively together.
Resistance to change: People are less likely to embrace new ways of working if they fear negative consequences for taking risks or challenging the status quo.
The posts highlight that even with training in agile processes and tools, the bank's agile transformation is failing because the underlying culture is toxic. As one post succinctly puts it, the bank does not provide a "psychologically safe" environment in which to practice agile techniques.

In conclusion: The bank's current approach to agile is doomed to fail without a fundamental shift in culture. They must prioritize building psychological safety, fostering trust and open communication, empowering teams, and focusing on customer value. Simply implementing agile processes and tools without addressing these underlying issues is like putting a new coat of paint on a crumbling building. It might look better on the surface, but the fundamental problems remain. Unless the bank addresses the command and control culture and creates a safe space for vulnerability and open communication, its agile transformation will continue to be a "goat rodeo."
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Post ID: @1pav+1w4GkcSH

@ujm+1w4GkcSH +1. Yes, Cloud is a clown car with a caved in top. And they want these same clowns to deploy a new platform and Gen AI? What to do the same magic they did for cloud? Cloud first strategy wth

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Post ID: @1ecu+1w4GkcSH

@ixx+1w4GkcSH

There's no cohesion at any level, and won't be until the Shart reign of te---r ends. In a shocking development, massive amounts of turnover and the remnants living in fear and constantly scurrying for safety or the exits has consequences. There's no trust. No vision from the top. It's a mess created by horrendously bad "leadership".

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Post ID: @1nkv+1w4GkcSH

QA is for sissies.

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Post ID: @obe+1w4GkcSH

Teams with no stake in your app can halt productivity for any BS reason that said team deems important.

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Post ID: @akk+1w4GkcSH

This is old blabbering news. This Agile dysfunction has been a joke for at least a decade. Whether it was Dillon, or SCB, or Kerrins, it has always been the elephant in the room. None of these so called leaders know how to do this work , nor are they able to see the end to end. They just know what their paycheck says and who’s behind to attach their lips to. Gidget will do the same thing. If it’s not Agile it’s Cloud and if it’s not Cloud it’s Data Warehouses, Application rationalization, to now Generative AI in the hands of the least intelligent person in the company, TK.
It’s a regular goat rodeo.

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Post ID: @rid+1w4GkcSH

WF is still doing waterfall and traditional project management, it’s just masquerading as “Agile”. It’s fake Agile, bad scrum, and junk delivered faster (is still junk)

We’ve got multiple “delivery leads” and “delivery coordinators” coming by for status updates every week. We’ve got scrum masters who couldn’t tell you why scrum works or how it aligns to Agile delivery, all they do is host meetings and make it hard to get actual work done. Managers on managers questioning metrics they don’t understand. Product spaces with no vision, no customer feedback loops, no alignment. And everyone fighting not to lose their ever shifting developer head counts

Everyone - including WF - could benefit from Agile and the introduction of the correct frameworks or processes. But what’s happening now… it’s just waterfall wearing a disguise called by a different name, crippled by too many internal stakeholders and not enough customer contact

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Post ID: @rnu+1w4GkcSH

Devops gone, qa gone, offshoring here, more red tape. 1B sev psyop attack from the top.

Keeping staying strong in the trenches.

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Post ID: @auw+1w4GkcSH

@ixx+1w4GkcSH What's kind of funny/ironic is when SVB was running tech it was all about how we are doing things differently, blah blah, lasagna layers, etc. They dismantled tech design/architecture governance, then federated it. Groups are pretty much out for themselves and there's a ton of duplication in areas where people are looking for various similar/same solutions. Cloud is a clown car so focus shifted yet again to new data centers which will be a cluster f.

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Post ID: @ujm+1w4GkcSH

@dpn

Absolutely not true. There is way too much command and control. The problem is that it's so fragmented and siloed. Too many director level and above management layers trying to command and control to their own agendas, leaving the workers confused af about what they should be doing. There is no cohesion at all at higher levels. Each area has their own goals and they are almost always in conflict with each other.

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Post ID: @ixx+1w4GkcSH

Dead on plus everybody thinking they have a say in what you're doing. And those opinions are always contradictory yet offer no solutions. I've run into so many people saying no, or need more info but never offer solutions. Then you have things that are so broken that nobody owns them and people are stuck trying to figure out how to deal with something, comply with policy and actually get things done.

I have never seen this company so f*cked in all the years I've been here.

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Post ID: @vbm+1w4GkcSH

2 problems with your arguement;

  1. There is no command.
  2. There is no control.
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Post ID: @dpn+1w4GkcSH

Rather certain the innovation stifling is coming from a lot higher up than that.

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