All managers received an email today from the laughably-named “Ethics” department, reminding us that actual productivity is secondary to butt-in-seat time, because Momo has promised the Chicago politicos that he’ll fill up his beautiful building with tax-paying, lunch-buying commuters.
Here’s the PSA: they have NO WAY OF IDENTIFYING COFFEE BADGING unless somebody files a report on you, and if you’re a valued employee, the odds of your manager doing this are close to zero.
@2hb well stated. I guess they need to keep our “ ethics and compliance “ team busy. ( since that’s who is doing the investigating)
Hcsc.. most ethical company?! Lmao!!! Hcsc... a fraudulent pi-s pool...
Ethical companies are transparent and accountable. They communicate clearly and create policies that are fair and make sense! The employees aren't the problem!
@2e4 It’s an annualized weekly average.
@dd any idea what formula are they using to calculate the number? I know a report sent for any one less than a score of 2. But is it done on a week by week basis of monthly.
@1hb inane and useless comment.
For the ones who actually do their jobs- the micromanaging is insulting. Appointing one team member to narc on others and keep track of when people come and go tells me management doesn’t trust us not give a flip about us.
@1gd so I can keep my side hustle on company time and benefits?
I am happy to report that all of the complaints here have changed the company policy! Great job, team! Time well spent!
@dg clearly you haven’t worked with our HR. D-mb as a box of bow ties and only there to protect leadership.
Leadership has unlimited pto. They honestly don’t give a flying blue bow tie about us. And their happy and bouncy arses are def not in 3 days a week did & hours.
They exist because we have to have that department but if you ever need assistance- good luck.
@t3 and you have no idea if they work later once they are home. Again- everyone should mind their own business.
@t3 It’s none of your business what other people work. You have no idea what kind of arrangements they have made with their manager. For all you know they have intermittent FMLA. The bs you’re commenting about is exactly the problem. You must be in one of those areas without enough to do.
@d4 what about all the people who leave at 3 to do pick up or kid stuff? But try start work at 9? That’s not far to those of us that do come in and work a full 9-5 type day?
@dn that was shared by our leadership in dept meeting recently and several people who have “low attendance” have been called out. So, yeah it’s real but what does it matter where you work as long as you get your work done? What about people who are caregivers, have health issues, or sick kids? It doesn’t promote a culture of wellness that’s fo sho
It's literally giving boomer brain rot.
Like, who are these people crafting these policies? It's giving grandpa who still thinks dial-up is a thing energy. They're literally one foot out the door, collecting their fat pensions.
It's so out of touch, I can't even. You're telling me that my hard-earned PTO, which is supposed to be for, you know, not working, is now just a glorified remote workday? And holidays? Bro, the whole point of a holiday is to celebrate and relax. I can't wait for Google to open up their offices! Goodbye he-l!
We are all adults here. My personal take is you shouldn't be concerned if youre showing up in the office and being productive with your time whether it's at your desk, conference room, or Starbucks. Just show up and leave at a reasonable time and make sure you're checking in with your manager or director about what you're doing and where. As long they're aware (document the interaction) and youre following the guidance it's not that big of a deal. This reminds me when they changed the work attire policy from where what you want to business casual or business professional Monday - Thursday. The policy change was aimed at those people who thought it was cool to show up to work on sweats and slides.
Where I think we SHOULD actually be concerned is the company "attempting" to the tighten the rains as a means of pushing people out to avoid paying people severances. This is also a fear mongering and control tactic. In the 6 years I've worked here, this is the first time I've seen them do this and it's creating anxiety for those who don't typically break the rules. They can't track it so theit cracking down on everyone is an insult to the adults who show up to work and follow the rules. I don't agree with it at all but they're just trying to make people uncomfortable. Don't feel uncomfortable if you aren't breaking the rules. There are much bigger issues at this company than the 3 day rule.
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@d9 nah. My supervisor is very senior and treats us like adults. There is discretion and we all use it appropriately. We don’t take advantage. And we are fully supported because of how we all manage it.
@cz toilet paper 😂
When the execs follow their own made up horse sh-t then maybe it will work. When is the last time anyone saw Big Mo anyway? They are never in office.
@db I guess you work in HR? We are adults and do our damn jobs. The faux outrage from the millionaires in the top is insulting - their fat as--s don’t care. It’s a power play.
@df so stupid.
@af ah but he’s super friends with Big M.
@dn I find that disgusting. So if I take a week off- I’m supposed to make up those 3 days before? Pto and holidays should count as in office.
This place is run by imbeciles. Wearing bow ties.
It very clearly says the 3 days in office are expected regardless of holidays or PTO. When you take PTO or there is a holiday it deducts from your WFH days first.
They did not include that part in the HCSC news that came out today but it was in the notice to leadership.
It is very plausible people are being told to come in a full week to get their days, if they’ve taken PTO or we’ve had holidays. It’s done by a monthly average.
@df Your management likely doesn’t understand the Flex policy. You could submit an AskHR ticket to confirm.
Our management is having us work more than three days a week to average out to three when we do take PTO. You are urged to come in five days a week after vacation.
@db why are you on here? This is a forum to talk, not to shut people up.
@d4 This is not true, nobody has to go into the office more than three times a week to make up for holidays or PTO time. What is true is that it’s impossible to have an in office score of 3.0 since PTO is not removed from the calculation. At the moment, anyway. This is why the in office target score is below 3.0.
It blows me away that people are acting like this is the first time they heard of the Flex rules. They made this stuff clear when we came back from the pandemic... literally years ago. How is this still a topic? Either show up and do the job like they say in the policy or go find another job. Just stop whining about it. You are adults.
@d7 - That is not true. If you are sick, you must make those sick days up by being in the office more days in the future. That is the policy, as d-mb as it is.
Also, a person can work from home while waiting for a plumber to show up. Having to take PTO for that is less productive for the company and the employee.
Understand the lack of trust and frustration among those of you who do the right thing. Part of the story is also missing here. Your supervisor does have discretion. You don’t have to take PTO because you’re going to a brief doc appt. That’s simply not accurate. However if you may be away for a four-hour appt then yeah it’s only right that you use PTO. Supervisors can and will make exceptions too for things like you being sick - able to work from home but maybe contagious or something like that. There are days when no one wants you there if you are sick. You will not get dinged for things like that. If you’re a responsible adult you will be okay.
@cy - Not so simple. They count holiday and PTO as being out of the office, so you must go in more than three days a week to make up for those. Also, for extra PTO, you accumulate over time and for purchased PTO.
They now want you to take PTO anytime you are not there a full day... like having a plumber come to your house sometime in a five hour window or picking a kid up from practice.
What about working extra hours and management discretion? This is a very d-mb and shortsighted policy.
@cx he sure did! Even after retirement he would come back to have lunch and socialize with employees.
Ray was also VERY generous to his charities.
@cy good for you. None of my team is in my office. It’s absurd.
Cafeteria is overpriced. Toilet paper is hit or miss. Why do I need to sit in a seat to make Maurice look good to the corrupt Chicago mayor?
@OP Working in the office for eight hours a day, three days a week seems like a pretty simple ask.
@cv Agree. When was the last time anyone saw their VP or DSVP on an employee floor or somewhere other than the Treehouse? An EVP can be seen in the cafeteria but this person’s face is buried in their phone so they do not have to acknowledge anyone else. I hear Ray used to randomly sit at lunch tables back in the day.
When you do cone into the office, do not buy ANYTHING from the cafeteria or vendors. Bring your lunch and a drink for the day. The prices are too high for their food anyway.
It is sad what this company is becoming with this inane micromanaging to try to make executives look good to the City of Chicago and justify their obscene bonuses.
This is a level of delusion not seeing in ages. When Paula Steiner was the CEO felt that the executives were more in touch with the people. You could see Paula at the gym sometimes. Then they fired Greg Brown one of the best and kind executives. Leadership is completely out of touch to the point of being cynical. This company has completely gone downhill.
And what about salaried employees that get zero overtime for all the longer work days during 4th quarter busy season. Not to mention all our missed breaks, working lunches, mandatory overnight stay meetings, etc. Isn't our ONE perk supposed to be our ability to flex our time for a work life balance as long as we work a minimum 40 hour work week? So now I have to put in 1 hour PTO if I need to leave for a doctor appt but its ok to force me to miss my lunch break almost every day for a working lunch meeting.Such a one way street. We were told in our meeting to expect other people to tell on one another. What a way to foster a positive work environment. Someone announced their retirement and shared that suppedly the end of September there are to be 500+ employees retiring. I expect to see more than that with this newest form of micromanaging.
Super funny it’s coming from ethics. Maurice and the Big O have no problem violating policy to promote their unqualified crony friends ..,,
It's in our HCSC news this morning! (7/24/25). It also has a link to the telecommuting and wfh program. This policy was updated this month on 7/14/25.
I know security has been reviewing cameras and they have been told to notify. They also have caught spouses ba----g in for thr employee and they are cracking down.
Another way to push natural attrition. Read the writing on the wall, folks.