When will hours in office start being tracked?
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They track you already.. xmatter was used during covid to keep track of people . They are using that now
@e8 maybe they will fire my boss. He leaves daily at lunch and works from home the rest of the day.
Yes
@mw love it. Hacksaw Robin…..if the shoe fits…..
BNY has spineless, weasel leadership and management. I understand that people have mortgages, car payments, student loans, children, lifestyles, etc. What I saw at BNY with regards to their leadership and People Team is, a group of sheep willing doing what they are told to do by this firm even if there are clear problems with the demand.
Basically BNY is loaded with management thinking "if I do what they say, they will leave me alone." In reality, their sheep leadership will be next out the door.
One final note: I have worked many places and have many different experiences. I have never witnessed the absurd amount of derrière kissing as I did while at BNY. Again, maybe people REALLY need their jobs and are compromised, but the amount of "yes-men" and fawning over BS was amazing. It is no surprised this firm is failing from the inside. Corporate rot.
@ke
they literally have TVs mounted from the ceiling all around the office. what's the difference where am I when I watch?
@d1 this is the biggest problem at BNY at the moment. Problem is that people are to afraid to report up that the new systems are not as efficient as the old ones. Then the seniors put down the headcount saves and get there fat bonus.
As soon as voluntary attrition numbers slow down and they need incentivize more people to leave this will begin. Framing this as at all related to productivity is disingenuous at best.
We have a hacksaw for a CEO and he is taking everything, including what is bolted down.
@j0 report them for what? Making sure their employees are working? The days of sitting at home watching tv all day are over!
@hz You're right. I'm sticking around until the end of the year (I have my reasons), but I'm spending the next few months taking training classes with technical interviews in mind. Looking at job postings, most of the jobs I'd apply to have the low end of the salary range starting at what I make now. One local company has fully remote positions with a four-day work week. It's definitely time to think about leaving the Bank of Pune.
Waiting for them to fly drones around and taking picture and running a scan.
People need to stop letting these ba----ds get away with this cr-p. Report them to externally. Nobody challenges them so it continues
Honestly just stop putting up with this nonsense. There are plenty of jobs out there just now with flexible employers that treat their staff fairly and with trust and do not feel the need to monitor every waking minute of your day. I promise you it’s a hundred times better when you get out.
@gb
I understand you despise BNY and want to leave.
From your post, it sounds like you are a supervisor of sorts. Good luck in your search.
You sound very sure about things that do not add up like having a static IP. Well, the sun does rise in the West as per your assertion. So be it, your future employer welcomes that level of intelligence
To add to this. I also had someone who HR CASUALLY said I would have to let go bc they were coming into the office and then leaving after only a couple of hours. I knew for a fact that the data they had was incorrect bc the person sits right next to me. They also seemed annoyed when I challenged it. They went back to the development team and found that for some reason the individual seemed to always have the same IP addy, regardless of VPN or office. So their data was messed up. When I gave HR cr-p for this (the employee received a written and official warning bc this was not resolved in time) they were annoyed with me. I wasn't having it and pushed back. They said it's not their fault bc the data they got was wrong. So imagine, they know some of the data is wrong and continue to do this. Those telling the other posters they are id--ts, etc for saying this..... no, you're the sheep and bootlickers. I don't care about going in four days at all, but don't log our every move just so you can have excuses to dismiss and not pay sev. On top of that, if your process isn't full proof, don't potentially ruin someone's life in the short term using it.
BNY is atrocious. Interviewing like a madman over here. Which is also what they want
I can also confirm (like someone has stated) that people have been let go based on how long they were logged into the office network.
not soon enough.
You guys really are clueless. there are locations who swipe in and out for one. Not sure why its not all locations. They also have the ability to monitor more than that. They know how much time is spent in meetings, time spent on the internet and the sites you go on, time spent actually being productive, idle time etc
Maybe the company should spend more resources on fixing the new products that do not work properly instead of attendance tracking.
@cb not fiction at all. They absolutely have the ability to look at people who have badged in, and compare what network they show up on after the badge swipe. People have 100% been laid off for coffee badging and they are going through past data programmatically. This is not BS, it's happening.
Under your scenario the laptop would go to sleep after 15 minutes and therefore no longer be connected to the network. Admittedly the badge swipes are fairly meaningless, but they don't need cameras to track whether or not you're in office.
@c0 @c0+1k3yz0cw1
You know what the pathetic tragedy here is? That they have nothing else better to do, spend money on or be client based to accomplish, except for treating employees like some Juvenile hall of detention.
We are supposed to be adults and professionals. Of course there are bad eggs and abusers, but they are by far the tiny minority. And with all this so called management we have, why not let managers manage that? But no, Robin and HR need a ge----o to track your every move. All the work after hours, weekend support, calls from your manager after hours… where is that tracked? And if it is isn’t, maybe we should not permit it?
This place is heading for a big fall. You can’t be mean and austere for long.
2 Sep is the start for four days in
@ce This has been repeatedly debunked.
Person A, walks in swipes, walks out (no swipe) and works elsewhere off-the-book and comes back, picks up the laptop and leaves for the day. Extreme use case but cannot be tracked using the on-the-network or badge-swipe. Even if the person drives Uber for his brother-in-law.
Swipe In, Swipe Out or CCTV monitoring or manager keeping an eye - other than these measures it takes a lot of effort to find these persons. The cost benefit of implementing a system like that is very low. Slackers are smart too
Hr is NOT only looking at swipe data..they are looking at how long you are logged into the office network.
The firm and leadership do look at swipe data.
I was in a department that questioned employees use of swipes into the building/floor/office, if "they" felt it was excessive.
Most of these employees were retained / no write-up or lay off, but it shown us that leadership and HR are reviewing swipes.
May be true but seems like a fiction. What data that can establish that they were in the office for only few hours? No one in US is required to swipe out. If they installed a NFR mechanism to track an employee exiting the building that is illegal in US. Or if you use your mobile to badge in and track you based on mobile that is illegal - and they explicitly state in their agreement. And it is criminal too. I do not think the firm will risk this to remove couple of employees. No common-sense C-suite will approve that, even verbally with the huge liability and reputation risk. Even Trump won't do it
Paying the severance is peanuts
Unless they are so jobless and monitor their CCTV data or use Eliza effectively for this, tracking is almost difficult as they do not have the exit data. Yes, one does not swipe out - yet.
The moment they implement that, then you know this is a factory setup. Then it is a loss for the firm - so when one "leaves" the factory floor they cease to work. No logging in from home or handling calls and supporting.
This industry cannot afford that. So, unless they need an excuse towards a target this is not going to happen.
Be very careful. I know two managers where the following happened. They get an email from HR saying they had employees who were in the office for only a couple of hours and that this behavior was unacceptable. There was a bridge to join daily if there were questions, and it was said the employees would get an official writeup from HR. The bridge was named "Seperation Support" when they joined. In both cases the manager worked at the same location as the employees in question. HR had date on the people from six months prior. This means HR is literally going through a backlog of swipe data and getting people. In one of the cases the data was completely wrong bc the manager had seen the person each week. HR admitted there was something wrong with the data. Imagine that...had the manager not stood up for their person, they would have been let go.
Rest assured they are looking at this and are looking at past data as we speak. Do not mess around with this as we start our 4 a week journey. Sickening
HR is not your friend.
I think they need to say what the rules are. I work 40 hours per week as per my HR paperwork. There’s nothing about 8 hours per day, or 7 or whatever. 40 per week is the requirement, they’d have to change that. Talk about micromanaging!!!!!
It honestly already is.