My buddy just told me they are taking away Slack and Box and making us use all Microsoft cr-p! Slack and Box are the only 2 smart things Tech has done in the last 10 years! You want a seat at the business table but you make stupid decisions like this? If you do this, you just lost your seat at my table. What kind of total id--t do you have to be to take away the tools that help us do our work at the same time we are going to have far less people to get the work done?
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Why are we using Slack? Because when we moved to Teams last time, it su-ked so badly, that we almost immediately began searching for a replacement. There a ton of automations that run through Slack connecting hundreds of apps and other productivity tools. I hope they give appropriate time to develop/integrate and don't just cut the cord.
“Why pay for a duplicate chat tool when Teams is free?”
Because it’s not just a chat tool.
It’s a goldmine of institutional knowledge (that thing they’re firing en mass). Dumping slack means deleting over a decade of easily searchable business conversations, production support, and incident resolution. Deleting that history while also firing a ton of people would be utterly insane and has a very real risk of crippling the company if done on a short timeframe.
To say nothing about the amount of solutions that have been built into slack, system alerts, business automation & time-saving shortcuts. Replacing all of that isn’t “free”, it’s actually incredibly expensive.
Slack isn’t going anywhere, at least not for tech & support teams. “Cost savings” only exist when you have no idea how Nike runs.
They should have taken away Slack long back. Why pay soo much extra for something Microsoft offers for free. And for those crying about slack being better or cheaper, have you used teams? Also those who have office365 should also have teams. Even if it saves 1 job, it is worth the transition, unless you work in supporting Slack, and cant move to teams
Yeah because people on this website are making those decisions. Amazon used their own version of each (Chime and Workdocs) and also had Slack. CTO would definitely not push for MS Teams because of familiarity.
They will pick the tools they get the most kickbacks from. They will enrich their cronies.
The McKinsey consultants will pick the tools they are familiar with.
The new CTO will pick what tools they are familiar with.
slack su-ks and so does box. no one cares about your hashtags
The day they take away slack is the day I entirely stop caring about my quality & quantity of work.
What auto-shop would take away their engineer’s car manuals “to save money”.
Our leadership doesn’t understand how to sell shoes. Our leadership doesn’t even understand how we’ve built our current systems & platforms.
Slack and Box are missing a key feature. MS365 generates reports to see which employees have the biggest impact on collaborating and are working the most effectively.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-viva/insights
I laugh at the comments that mention that saving a certain amount of money by going over to Microsoft suite is going to “save” jobs. No it won’t. It’s corporate greed and Nike will do both.
The other reason for the transition is probably because of the whole idiocracy of AI/ML like it’s going to make a difference at Nike. Shiny object syndrome is too real and it’s going to crush Nike because it can’t focus on something.
Just know that the transition to Microsoft Suite is a check to checkbox called “AI/ML” from the CTO.
GSuite for all would take care of Box (basically twentieth century tech), Slack (which I’ll miss dearly), and office 365 which is still cr-p on Mac. Oh and Zoom… god I hate Zoom.
@vij+1qZmGwiY the productivity argument is barking up the wrong tree.
companies overlook layoff hidden costs: lost institutional knowledge, weakened employee engagement, higher turnover, and lower innovation. Cost for severance, outplacement, out-processing, and costs to onboard when ramping back up.
No layoffs would cost significantly less in the long run.
sources : https://fortune.com/2023/02/01/mass-layoffs-large-hidden-costs/
https://www.inc.com/articles/2002/07/24434.html
Lower benefits as in no profit sharing, reduced or not guaranteed psp, higher employee contributions, lower merit,
Box is horrible and the overall roll out was a sh-t show. It costs the company a stupid amount, and needs to be divested into a proper offering.
@otg+1qZmGwiY
Yeah but like keep slack. It’s not THAT much. A few million and it will keep our productivity higher. Higher productivity means more money. Enough to offset the cost of slack.
@xjy+1qZmGwiY ok so
- headcount, est 25%
- Building leases: close SF
- Licenses - IT consolidation (Slack, Box, Etc)
- Lower benefits = more contract roles, although Nike doesn't pay for our healthcare the state subsides it so IDK where else that's coming from.
- Less capex/ depreciation: goodbye digital creation, amortization of renovations done, etc
- Taxes : Everyone returns to the office so we can circumvent metro tax when people are WFH
They want 2b in hard savings over 3 years. Inventories don’t count. It will come from headcount, building leases, utilities, licenses, lower benefits, less capex/ depreciation, taxes and things of that nature.
I’m surprised this many people are in favor of teams. Last time I used the product, it would freeze and crash at least twice a week…
I guess that’s the benefit of going cheap… hooray!
@cok+1qZmGwiY two things:
- It isn't free as part of a license, the licenses cost money. the $2M is to license slack for 30M people a year. That number is closer to $6M if it's being used by all Nike employees.
License with slack vs Microsoft (who we also already license with) are an additional, redundant expense. Hope this is what you mean.
- 2BN reduction: my best guess will come from: 25%+/- (450M) workforce reduction, 25% technical debt, and 25% Inventory (hence 40% of products on sale, reduction in product lines etc). another 500M to the bottom line could easily be achieved by revenue growth without increased costs.
Teams is so much better. Better and easier collaboration than box + slack. If we can get rid of zoom and have one whole eco system it would make life even better.
I like slack. I hope it’s just a rumor and not true. There are lots of rumors. Most aren’t true. So I hope this is one of them. It would definitely cut productivity for all of us to learn a new tool. Keep slack keeps productivity up.
It’s about delivering $2b in cost savings. Why pay if you can get for free as part of license?
Saving $2M by removing slack… huh.
Right? Consolidating all of them (Box, Zoom, Slack, Teams, Yammer, etc etc) likely saves 100 people's jobs minimum.
do you know how much extra cost it is for every single individual app and license?
In 2020 Slack advertised that Nike slack users more than doubled, from 14,000 to 30,000, sending more than 1 million Slack messages a month.
Do you realize that every email and message sent not only has a carbon footprint, but a cost associated with it to store the data?
While I don't have access to specific pricing agreements between Nike and Slack, a rough estimate based on typical pricing ranges and assumptions. With 30,000 users, Nike would likely be on an Enterprise Grid plan, which typically offers volume discounts for larger user bases.
Assuming a negotiated rate at the lower end of the spectrum, let's say around $6 per user per month, and assuming a yearly commitment, the calculation would be:
$6 per user per month * 30,000 users * 12 months = $2,160,000 per year.
That we also have iMessage AND Teams is literally a waste of money. That Slack plan costs you about 15 U band employees a year.
No!!! Yikes. I hope this isn’t true but I noticed a meeting add a teams link instead of zoom so that actually makes sense.
This is the attitude that's running Nike into the ground. Let's spend millions on duplicative tools like Box and Slack when we get Teams and One Drive with the Microsoft suite already. This might be the most sensible cut I've heard of yet. Bravo, it might actually save a few jobs!
Cry me a river tech lackey