Is that a bad look for the layoff list ?
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@ek Nonsense
Nobody is safe at any grade in Optum. Leadership get RIFed. Front line staff get work moved to India and RIFed. June 25th will be the largest layoff in the past few months.
I had a sheepdog once with no sheep. It ran in circles
Most layoffs are grade 28 and under in terms of volume.
For layoffs, the company focuses on span of control and how many direct reports. If you are SG30 and up, VERY vulnerable to layoff, SG29 somewhat. No pressure on 28s.
@c9 speaking in such a generality makes you sound like a complete id--t.
Good and bad exists everywhere.
@bw most of them should be fired anyway..they Know NOTHING about technology, have no idea what's going on on a daily basis. All they do is join calls randomly, ask irrelevant questions and hinder progress. Sr. Directors, Sr. managers, directors seem to be the worst of the lot. I find folks about or below them working but these middle management is the worst.
@OP Manager or director of what? I would say any manager or director without 15 direct reports would likely be on the chopping block.
CHOP! CHOP!
@b8 Very top heavy.
Nahh, it's fine. We have VPs reporting to VPs, nobody worries about that.
Directors and above without direct reports should be the first ones let go.
@ap I see. I was referring to those jobs that are hired as directors and managers with no direct reports from the beginning, but if they start out with direct reports and end up with none, not a good sign.
Yes, it's not a good look. In my group, Sr. Managers who were people leaders earned about $10K more than a comparable Principal level role. So, if no direct reports that's an unnecessary expense for the business. I knew a Sr. Manager who wound up with no direct reports after re-orgs get secretly re-titled as Principal. This person learned about it after the fact. That said, it was probably a move to keep the role safe from the constant RIFs. Ultimately, our team got rid of the Sr. Manager title entirely and replaced with Assoc. Director. This came with it's own issues because if not advanced quickly to a Director level it was a prime target role to cut in RIFs due to the higher compensation.
No, this is not unusual. I actually prefer these roles. Most of the ones with direct reports are not good people, at least at UHG. There are good leaders of course, just few and far between. And I worked at UHC and Optum, for 9 years.