See something say something. Apply all the software engineer job openings. If they reject you and hire only Indians, report then to ICE and EEOC.
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Fraud is their culture
@15b it’s Indian Noodles code, much worse than Spaghetti.
@ma spaghetti code is what we call it
an indian co-worker once told me that it has nothing to do with skill set, its basically a lottery. you put your name in, it gets drawn, bo-m..H1B Visa and welcome to the US of A.
@ma Fortunately no one has to based their life on Wells Fargo code! Maybe that's why there are no unit tests around.
Do not mess with Indian - you will not win.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-cognizant-h1b-visas-discriminates-us-workers/
https://www.business-standard.com/amp/finance/personal-finance/h-1b-visa-scandal-3-indian-origin-men-face-10-yr-jail-for-fake-job-offers-124111200414_1.html
This sh*t will soon hit the fans. WF will go down like Facebook few years ago.
@m5 Thanks for posting. India has an extremely high turnover rate (meaning a person staying with the company or the project for less than 2 years if that). If the software code is based on legacy code and additional features (new software code) are added on top of that legacy code, making it more like jumbled code that no one really understands, and on top of all that, you have different software engineers working on it year after year, than how can anyone depend their life on that code.
I had to do more rework on deliverables from overseas than developed domestically.
I had the same issue as a hiring manager. After a few pointed questions, it was clear that the Indian candidate knew nothing about the tools or processes they purportedly claimed on their resume.
While the MCAS software for the Boeing 737 MAX was developed by Boeing, some of the software development and testing work was outsourced to Indian companies, primarily HCL Technologies and Cyient Ltd. These companies provided engineers who worked on various aspects of the software, including flight display software and flight-test equipment software.
https://theprint.in/world/boeing-engineers-blame-cheap-indian-software-for-737-max-problems/256999
I have sometimes wondered why a boeing plane or an EV car, all of a sudden loses control or collides into something. Much of these problems happen due to software. Have these companies ever investigated who the software engineers or coders are? Are they on a visa? Which country are they from? If a foreign country wants to get rid of Americans, all they have to do is have a corporation hire a software engineer on H1B or any visa, and let them code. And unless the company does rigorous software testing and if ONLY certain log printing (for verifying the code) is written into the code, can an error be detected. If no log printing (for verification), then no issue. It's as simple as that. I think all the software coders know exactly what I'm talking about.
@m1 in 2024 and 2025 it is 91% Indian now due to the trade war with China.
In fiscal year 2023, approximately 73% of approved H-1B applications were for individuals born in India.
India has consistently held this position as the top country of origin for H-1B workers since 2010.
China is the second most common country of origin, accounting for around 12% of approvals in 2023.
Look around in the office, what brought the Indian-majority here? Thats’s H1B!
Wellsfargo Technology is already 90% Indian-operated because they’ve been laying off
and firing non-Indians. Their goal is to reach 99% and leave 0.1% so that they can call themselves “a diverse corporation”.
@kr A labor shortage would mean you are continuously hiring in a corporation, and retraining existing workers with new skills. And not firing the American worker. When you fire most of the American workers, that' being biased.
@kr Yes, that is what it was intended for. But we all know, that's not what it has become. It's a big scam now. Please don't deny it. There isn't a labor shortage in USA any longer (especially due to AI ramping up). And I question, if there really was ever a labor shortage. A labor shortage would mean, you layoff everyone in a group (who are pretty much doing similar jobs) and not pick and choose only the US citizens and keep the visa person or transfer them to another job. That's not labor shortage.
@k2 this is gross
H1b program is there to address labor shortage not replacing Americans!
H1B is TEMPORARY, NONIMMIGRANT visa.
However, because of the Indian mobsters at Wellsfargo, they are protected and empowered, and become permanent residents, and the fraud goes on and on. ICE should look at this issue.
@OP I'm really sick and tired of seeing all these visa folks from all over (China, India, etc.) take my job and giving the US Citizen college graduates from getting these jobs.
@bw We all know that US workers do have the skills and if not, they can learn those skills just like an H1B worker. And if salaries are no longer lower than an non-H1B holder, then there really isn't a need for H1B TEMPORARY workers. Yet, the US gov't and corporations keep hiring them. There is a scam in there somewhere, and the US gov't needs to investigate, but they won't cause it's a gang of billionaires who are profiting.
BNY doing this same garbage too!
Indian engineering managers control the hiring process by bribing through connections—so that only Indian candidates get shortlisted. That’s why interviews and hires often one-sided, and over time, the organization ends up full of Indians.
PERM Fake Job Ads defraud Americans to secure green cards:
https://youtu.be/TCbFEgFajGU
Investigators would look at the company's employment statistics over time. They would compare the racial demographics of the company's workforce to the qualified labor pool in the surrounding area. A dramatic and statistically significant shift toward a single race would be powerful evidence of a discriminatory practice. Laid-off employees or rejected job applicants would file discrimination charges with the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), the federal agency responsible for enforcing these laws. The EEOC would launch an investigation. They have the power to demand access to the company's hiring records, layoff lists, employee demographics, internal emails, and other documents. They would also interview current and former managers and employees.
Given the systemic nature of the discrimination you described, it would likely lead to a class-action lawsuit, where a large group of affected individuals (laid-off employees and rejected applicants) sue the corporation together. Lawyers and the EEOC would use statisticians to analyze the company’s data. If the data shows a clear pattern of one race being hired and other races being laid off at a statistically improbable rate, this creates a strong presumption of discrimination that the company would have to legally justify (which, in this case, would be impossible).
If found guilty of such widespread discrimination, a corporation would face devastating penalties. This could include back pay for all laid-off workers, "front pay" for future lost earnings, and compensatory damages for emotional distress. Courts would likely impose massive punitive damages, which are designed to punish the company for its malicious and reckless conduct and to deter other companies from doing the same. These can run into the hundreds of millions of dollars for a large corporation. court would almost certainly impose a "consent decree," forcing the company to completely overhaul its hiring, promotion, and layoff procedures. The company would be subject to federal court monitoring for years to ensure compliance, often at its own expense.
@fd To be honest, we have had junk work done for years by onshore folks, even our executive leaders . We should be happy to bring in H1-B that are smarter even at the executive levels.
@fj And are you saying white managers don’t do the same thing? Please….
Not sure if serious. So much garbage "work" has come from India it's not even funny. The h1B program isn't just for "highly specialized" skill workers, it's for jobs that employers can't find Americans to do. That bar has clearly not been met, especially when HY is downsizing thousands of domestic tech folks at the same time they are bringing in H1Bs.
@f9 According to QS global rankings, the highest IIT holds a global ranking of 123, and that is supposed to be India's version of MIT. India's top university is ranked worse than universities from Chile and Argentina.
WF doesn't even hire from the higher ranked India universities as I see that many h1bs from non ranked tech schools like Maulana Azad National Institute of Technology or Nirma. That would be like hiring from community colleges in the U.S.
Speaks volumes that the average American citizen is more concerned about the ethnicity of their workers than the quality of the work being delivered. If you’re actually delivering good results you shouldn’t need to be worried about being replaced by a H1B worker.
@a4 Have you filed yours?
@bm And you got your information from??????
@e3 Well there is also the possibility that onshore workers aren’t able to learn modern tools and the Indians know modern tools that the rest of the world uses but WF chooses to stay behind…. Maybe TK can move you into the future. BTW.. At our current pace AI at other banks will out perform us.
Signing a severance might not matter if you file a Qui Tam lawsuit, in which the Government sues on your behalf.
https://cis.org/North/Whistleblower-Lawsuit-Uncovers-Massive-H1B-Fraud
@aw if and when those class action suits happen, I wonder how much that you signed a release for severance affects your ability to join the class?
It's no secret that the output from an Indian employee is likely to exceed that of a US employee. Most Indian's are 3x engineers.