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Some people got raises? Does this now mean they’re making 60 cents on the dollar compared to their tech industry counterparts? Nike compensation is chicken-scratch - highly encourage you look elsewhere!
We all knew this was going to be completely messed up when it came to the RE-org but I didn’t expect so many shuffled seats that has no rhyme or reason. Definitely come some of the dead weight especially in TO but some of the moves are completely head scratching.
Hands up if you lost your job in the reorg and are happy you got out on time? ✋
@akfr I know of at least a handful, including me.
@ant
+1 on that!
Next week, they will unveil the curtain on the whole org structure is what I know.
Most people I have talked to got pay bumps and/pr promos. Some were demoted but pay was not taken away. I have not heard of anyone getting the axe with no back path to stay.
Folks can someone please tell me where to get the best french fries in portland ??
Can we focus this thread back on Reorg updates?
@8hfp if you dig into your social media, you strike me as the person who will see that he or she, said this to a immigrant expressing their wishes on a societal matter like g-n control, abortions rights, things that are important to them, 'This is America. If you don't like it, go back to where you are from." Blend in. Now you are blaming them for not fighting for you? The stunning lack of self awareness in how entitled you come across as.
You don't know that we know.
@8iwq
I'm not giving you that much credit.
@8mm so as usual, it's the immigrants, who don't get voting rights for many years and far fewer in numbers, fault that America is becoming an Oligarchy? Do you ever own up to anything?
@8ifs
I am responding to what that person wrote:
"I personally don't spend time whining, and calling foul 'woe is me'. We know how to survive. We recognize change is the only constant."
Perhaps people immigrating here for jobs should understand the history of the labor movement in the US and maybe have some appreciation for where it got American workers. Also, maybe understand how foreign workers, and their culture of not complaining or questioning, has allowed US companies to erode those gains over the years.
@8rfn it doesn't take a whole lot of courage to whine and racist things on a anonymous gossip board.
@8feb
You had about four years of warning that Nike was becoming a sh*t show. I saw the writing on the wall early and spent my last year at Nike working on stuff that would make me look better to other employers. What you went through should not be a surprise at this point.
Did they not offer you another position? You were laid off and not given any choices or options to continue your employment with the company?
Had my conversation and was told my role stops existing. Not even a thank you for the more than 15 years of service before shown the door. That is how much Nike cares about you as employee.
Senior GT management is the worst I have seen in all those years. Only ego’s thinking about themselves and scared to lead because they are clinging to their status and afraid they might upset someone higher up.
I so hope that the reorg will bring change for the real heroes. The V,A,L and some U banders that make their leaders look good.
I also hope that Nike will recover from short term gains focus and will focus back on the culture that made the company big. This company used to have b*lls and lead the way. Now it’s just another large corporation that cares about making money.
This is why Nike loves people like you. Work your a-s off and don't expect a lot, or ask too many questions.
Nationalism is anathema to Capitalism. The nationalists should put their money where their mouths are and buy only Made in America because many other American jobs in other industries are lost to many other countries as they regroup from the ravages of colonialism. The solution is in building up American talent in numbers and quality that leaves little economic incentive to have offshore workforce to remain competitive in market ( and pay their employees massive bonuses even during a worldwide pandemic).
As for Indians who are American citizens, like me, it takes a lot of courage, resilience, persistence, creativity, adaptability, hard work and sacrifice to move to another country with diametrically opposite culture and values, to thrive and achieve the American dream. It's not for anyone scared of challenges. I personally don't spend time whining, and calling foul 'woe is me'. We know how to survive. We recognize change is the only constant.
Those looking for more info: things will be clear by next week. No one knows what the flying formation looks like, many cases exactly what the job is. I sure am waiting to hear why it will look the way it will. Was the benefit worth the costs. I don't know of anyone laid off.
Hey @7apn+ your idea about India being just Patels is very short sighted and limited. India is a huge country. Its just like to say America only has Virginia rednecks :D
So was there any layoffs?
While this is an interesting debate….Does anyone have actual updates to changes in the Global Technology organization structure to share?
Jobs are moving to ICC because it's cheaper, labor laws are more lax and there it's perceived to be easier to find resources. Is the quality better, probably not. Are their communication skills better, definitely not. Nike IT has recurring fantasies of outsourcing and getting the most bang for their buck but every time I have seen this happen, they have overshot and needed to hire some locals back.
I would think with the amount of Indian contractors nike has...that many Indian's living in USA are loosing their job to an Indian in India. Curious what a USA based Indian citizen thinks about moving US jobs to India? People keep bringing up race..this is about nationalism.
Maybe we should be making polish jokes instead? Nobody complaining about all the jobs moving to Poland?
I'm old enough to remember it's the army of 'Patels' that helped the US survive the Y2K bug without incidence. It probably isn't India's fault that it supports technical education making it affordable where as youth in America are content flipping burgers or higher education is prohibitively expensive. It was a Japanese company that gave Nike it's best chance of success when it started up.
Judging by the bonuses everyone got recently, primaries driven by e-commerce sales there isn't anything crippled about Nike. It isn't the best Technology company around and never has been through the past several reorgs led by White Americans. Brown man who isn't actually Indian by birth in charge, suddenly people want to rewrite Nike's history as if there was some golden age.
This reorg is being handled horribly but there is no call to make racist judgements on it. Incompetence isn't the sole purview of White Americans.
I've been refusing to read anything on here to keep my sanity. We all just need to band together and support one another through this. One day at a time. But....don't lose your voice in this. Speak up! Tell them how fu---d up this is. I am and have been doing so... Am I safe? Who cares at this point. Have a voice! I am so sick and tired of the bullying, threats, and the silence. Collectively, we HAVE A VOICE! Use it. Hire an attorney. Do what you need to do and stop being afraid. Grow ba--s. Mine are Bull size. Join me in the rutt.
OMG! Reading all comments here leads me to believe that working at GT really messed you all up so badly. I feel bad for you all. This is coming from someone who spent 7 years at GT but got out the moment it started to smell so badly!!
If you don’t understand that when Patel is put in charge, it’s bad, then it’s not that you are woke, it’s that you are ignorant.
100% of the time this is a transfer of jobs and wealth to India, even the FTE’s will have to pay kick backs, always.
How else to explain the crippling performance to IT when this occurs? Nike is just the latest to hop on board the train.
@notprejuducedjustexperienced putting aside the histrionics and ignorance in your response, anyone feeling that way can sue and even win if there are grounds. Not so with former British colonies. This reverse racism claim is a popular topic amongst what I thought were the uneducated. Apparently not
@OP+1cIxSrWz sounds a bit how any team based outside the berm has felt for years compared to so called “global” teams inside the berm.
I would say to take the opportunity and learn from it.
@ExoeriencedandLogical from @notprejuducedjustexperienced -
Ask the folks across GT who aren't Indian if they aren't feeling dehumanized, with promotion, and even interviewing/hiring being prejudiced towards Indian staffers. Ask them if they feel there is looting going on across Tech as roles and jobs are being shoved to ICC (with marginal success)? Look at starvation of budget for teams / orgs that are not Indian lead, and look at the failures in app delivery and where accountability is being directed.
How far in advance were those of you who have had your calls notified?
@notprejuducedjustexperiemced for one thing co-relation isn't causation. Keeping my judgement of how this reorg is being handled ( not well at all but I haven't heard the it all officially yet so reserving final judgement) you seem to imply having Indian American leadership is inherently a negative thing. Many of the examples you quoted have been long term employees of those organizations who showed impressive results to deserve those promotions. I've been in major reorgs in companies big and small and when new leadership comes in, it's VERY common for them to bring 'their' team along. We see this at actually every level of people managers. Many recent hires have been people who worked with their managers previously. Infact that is what networking, the most effective form of gaining employment is about.
The British built their empire by dehumanizing, looting, mu---ring, starving their colonies on massive scale amounting to crimes against humanity.
We live in a global economy where companies ( with board members and numerous shareholders) are always looking to increase margins. To see some sort of insidious conspiracy in that while diminishing the atrocities the British perpetrated on their colonies to suit a cynical disposition is appalling, ignorant and unbecoming of a employee of a company with a global footprint paying your salary . I hope you aren't a engineer in GT and responsible for logical thinking.
Had my call yesterday. Moving to different role, salary hike but no promotion. No clue regarding roles and responsibilities in new role. If I say no, no salary hike and must find opportunities within Nike to continue or find something outside and leave. Totally confused..
Putting people in roles where they can’t grow in or know what the he-l the role means at all. No job descriptions provided. Have to stay in the role 18 months and no package if you don’t want the role. Our VP decides to leave Nike to not deal with the fallout of this sh-t show he created. I’m so tired of this cycle of abuse.
My job role is eliminated as well and got a new team with no expertise in it. Hope some one on the middle management is behind sharing info as everyone else on the team had no changes impacted other than myself. Don’t think its VP decision as he had no clue of my day to day work. It’s time to look around outside. I’m just done with this
I received my manager call yesterday. All good news, upward mobility and pay. Hoping you all get good news.
Yawn
Are the most recent threads what we are here for?
@NotPrejudicedJustExperienced you may not be prejudiced, but you’re definitely ill-informed and don’t know anything about how the British built their empire. Unless that was an attempt at a joke and if it was then, here’s a half-hearted chuckle for effort.
Ha ha ha ....
- Indian hedge fund buys large amount of stock.
- Indian hedge fund pressures company to install Indian CTO/CIO
- Indian CTO/CIO improves operational margin by pushing everything to India on the promise of 2x speed 1/2 the cost
- Stock goes up for a while, as US staff shrinks, Indian management expand and are given free range to prejudicially hire for all roles. Accountability collapses
- 24 months later, all promised tech innovation has failed, CEO has to accept his role in it, exits with massive golden parachute, retires. New Indian CEO announced
See: Pepsico, Microsoft, Google, etc. The Indians learned the art of empire building from the British and are using it to take over Companies not Countries.
And you all are surprised. Ha ha ha.
@2epr Most managers did not know what was coming, did not participate in the decision making, and are equally shocked and appalled at what is going on. Don’t assume that senior leadership actually consulted middle-management at all.