Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Oracle doesn't value hard work

I worked at Oracle for over 5 years. I was averaging 50+ hours a week in a high-pressure/high-stress environment. I never received any significant accolades or recognition from management. My compensation increases were pathetic and I never received a bonus. My performance reviews were mediocre and my manager would point out minor things in order to avoid giving me above-average ratings. I left a few years ago and since the time I started my new job - I've won multiple company awards, received positive feedback on a regular basis, excellent performance reviews, compensation increases, etc.

The conclusion - Oracle sucks and I'll never go back. Anyone with decent technical skills should leave that place.

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Thanks @aryo+1f5HmQpY,

I did my best to summarize things as I e seen them. Nothing at Oracle is going well — the brightest star is probably the cloud apps space overall.

Database uptake in the cloud (ADB) is SERIOUSLY sucking wind, and Oracle is losing CRITICAL cloud database share to Amazon, Google and MS every month. Revenue for on prem database will continue for quite some time into the future (heck, even 12 years on Sun hardware is still bringing in SOME revenue but at a rapidly declining rate).

But Database has failed to truly make the transition to cloud, so it is in the very beginnings of its death spiral. So Oracle has to pull a Sun with its on prem DB and milk and preserve that revenue stream for as long as it can, and pick up as many scraps of conversions to ADB in the cloud as it can. But unfortunately customers don’t want Oracle ADB/db in the cloud. They want a modern cloud database that is cloud native and not the huge hairball that is ADB.

Also, ADB in the cloud DOES. NOT. SCALE. This is a very little known failing of the cloud implementation of ADB. Oracle has done a pretty good job of snowing over customers on this fact, but as more and more experience it, more and more will move off of ADB and Oracle for proper cloud databases.

In reality, companies like Snowflake are the biggest strategic threat to Oracle, and they don’t even see it coming LOL. Oracle doesn’t have a clue as to how deeply in peril, strategically, it’s business is.

PREDICTION: By 2030, Oracle will be acquired by another legacy OSH!T-style company to milk its user base.

Remember, OSH!T = Oracle, SAP, HPE, IBM, Teradata.

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Post ID: @bttp+1f5HmQpY

@7yux+1f5HmQpY - a well written and very accurate summary of the reality of what is going on at Oracle. I left late last year, as I could no longer tolerate the incompetence and toxic nature of my management, or those around me - most of whom would never get hired in another tech. company.

At one point a few years back, I had admiration for OCI, but once you peel away the layers, there really isn't that much innovation - just inferior versions of what real cloud providers are doing.

Overall though, I would say the corporate security teams probably have some of the worst people in terms of sheer incompetence and their inability to grasp just how worthless the rest of the company think they are.

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Post ID: @aryo+1f5HmQpY

A LOT of people coasting along at Oracle, and have been for many years.

They get their peanuts salary and No RSUs in exchange for a guaranteed paycheck every two weeks. Meanwhile the managers (VP and above) rake in the pay and bonuses and RSUs. The managers are parasites on the back of the hard work of the Oracle of the past.

They milk the revenue stream and don’t invent anything new, and making an occasional acquisition to prop up the revenue stream for a little while longer.

Ex-Sun people and technology languish in and loll around Oracle lazily, dreaming of their “Glory Days” when Sun was actually a real company. I have never seen such a bunch of has-been a than Sun people inside of Oracle. They bleat and scream that they are still relevant to Oracle as the Sun hardware revenue shrinks at a 20% rate every year. Sun adds no value to Oracle and really never did, even the Exa cr-p.

OCI is a special case — unlimited spending and unreal salaries and RSUs showered on Amazon and Azure people in the 2015-2020 period to attract them to Oracle. And after their shares vested they left and moved on. In the past 2-3 years the B-listers start infiltrating the OCI org and bringing down the overall competence of the group.

Clay Magouyrk takes command of OCI, with his sh!tty shameless leadership style, helping put OCI on a downward path due to his constant temper tantrums and overall lack of maturity and ability to truly lead.

And OCI finally realizes it will never be a Tier 1 (and maybe even Tier 2) cloud, and changes strategy to build many dozens of “regions” worldwide that consist of a server rack in a co-lo’s broom closet. This shifts the work away from innovating new features and capabilities into pure ops work to keep things trying to run.

What few significant features are released are solely dictated by Clay who uses Gartner points criteria as his roadmap. No imagination. No innovation. No leadership.

The bottom line is that Oracle is screwed and is in a very long and slow death spiral. And has been for many years.

The people who lay around and collect paychecks at Oracle and do nothing deserve your below-ibdustry peanuts salary and zero bonus and RSUs.

The OCI people who are waiting for their final RSUs to vest will receive peanuts as “refreshers” and you deserve this too. You OCI people had the opportunity to create something unique, new and real. Instead your leadership failed you, and now OCI sinks into mediocrity forever and contributes to Oracle’s long slow death spiral.

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Post ID: @7yux+1f5HmQpY

“But, there are a lot of people hardly working.“

Oh! Management!

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Post ID: @7wce+1f5HmQpY

There is no hard work going on at orahole these days. But, there are a lot of people hardly working.

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Post ID: @7hky+1f5HmQpY
Oracle doesn't value hard work

Sounds like a personal problem. Glad you were able to correct it, unlike all the other unmarketable lemmings at the company.

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Post ID: @1fyj+1f5HmQpY

Oracle sucks. Management is corrupt and employees are used and manipulated at will. The company and HR simply look the other way. I left because of the toxic atmosphere and my manager’s attitude towards the employees he considered to be his personal slaves.
A lot of good posts here, but no one mentioned the cheap import of labor coming in from other countries. Many of the people coming in have such a poor standard for what they expect that they will work in conditions that others from the U.S. think are appalling. I believe this has had a major influence in degrading working conditions.
End the import of cheap labor.

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Post ID: @stb+1f5HmQpY

Oracle sucks. This hasn’t been news the last decade. They are lucky that no one got really pi---d and knocked people out. Since leaving oracle I realize I wasn’t even doing real work. My manager was a disgusting slob of a man who no longer can touch his toes. I regret my time at oracle and the acquisition that oracle bought. Both run by complete and utter losers with the skill set of a 7 day old jellyfish.

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Post ID: @fww+1f5HmQpY

Wait, Performance reviews in Oracle ? you are dreaming ? or from outside company ?

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Post ID: @cjy+1f5HmQpY

yawn
You got played, plain and simple. That's on you

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Post ID: @nje+1f5HmQpY

Quite a typical story. Here’s another one from BI. Whole lotta truth coming atcha

Great Resignation Is Payback for Companies Treating Employees Badly

A manager at one of my first jobs once told me that they "threw people under the bus and drove it too." The moment has stuck with me ever since — a comment so flippantly cruel that it was branded on my brain. When I asked the manager what they meant, they said that lower-level employees' responsibility was to make managers look good and, as my manager also explained, take the blame and "get in trouble" when things went wrong. We were, in other words, supposed to give our all for the company and take a dive for it if necessary. That was the moment I realized company loyalty was a one-way street.
I've heard many similar stories from my newsletter readers about managers and executives who weren't simply disloyal, but considered their employees interchangeable. They demanded loyalty, but gave none in return. Whenever I read or write about the Great Resignation, these stories always come to mind.

Whether it's corporations freaking out that remote work causes a "culture crisis" of employee disloyalty, or employers incorrectly assuming that they've done enough to address their workers' concerns about the pandemic, much of the discourse around the Great Resignation is focused on the loyalty that companies expect from their employees and the collective shock among management when that loyalty dries up. Companies' lack of compassion, investment, and commitment to their staffs has been laid bare during the pandemic. And now employers are terrified, because employees are realizing a fact that companies have understood for years, but tried to hide: Work is an exchange of labor for money. It is a transaction, not a relationship.

Workers are asking, why should I be loyal to my employer? Why did I ever think this way? And with the power dynamics in the labor market flipped, employers have no good answers for them.

The loyalty lie
Employers' sense that workers are becoming less loyal is well founded. Employee loyalty dropped during the pandemic and has hit a "breaking point." But employers' are misdiagnosing why employees have become less engaged in their work. They blame remote work, and their best idea to improve loyalty is to simply "listen to the needs of the labor market and adapt quickly."

Allow me to be blunt: The real reason workers are ditching their employers is because the pandemic provided a vivid demonstration of how little corporations care about their employees. The Washington Post found that while the vast majority of the 50 largest companies in the US turned a profit since March 2020, more than half also laid off workers — shedding tens of thousands of jobs while pocketing billions of dollars for shareholders. Wage theft — paying people below minimum wage, making them work extra hours without pay, or otherwise not paying workers what they are owed — is an $8 billion-a-year crime against workers that never seems to attract the same attention as luxury boutiques being raided. Workers at companies as large as The New York Times and Kellogg's were forced to strike to secure even meager improvements in working conditions and salaries.

And despite millions of workers embracing the flexibility and benefits of remote work, corporations have continued to push hard for people to return to the office, even during the Omicron surge. Companies have spread lies about remote work waylaying young people's careers and pushed a campaign to suppress remote work because it's far easier to go back to the way things were than to improve the current reality.

Throughout the pandemic, workers were treated significantly worse by the government than their employers were. Companies had nearly half a trillion dollars of Paycheck Protection Program funds forgiven while stimulus checks for households were restricted based on income. And corporate America did little to help their employees fill the financial gaps left by the government's piecemeal aid.

Workers are taught to "climb the corporate ladder" and to stay with a company for at least a year to prove that they're not flaky job-hoppers. We're taught as kids that loyalty to a company is good and that we'll be rewarded for our hard work with bonuses, promotions, and perks. But when the pandemic hit, what did employers do? Four percent of employers dropped an insurance benefit within a few months, and despite getting PPP loans, many still laid off workers.

Loyalty is something companies have to earn, not expect
Perhaps it's easier if you consider the inverse of the situation. Imagine a worker who half-assed their work, kept their workspace a total mess, and did the bare minimum to keep their job. Would you expect a company to be loyal to that person? No? Then why should workers be loyal to companies that pay loyal employees 50% less, barely invest in training workers, and fail to keep salaries in line with the ballooning costs of healthcare?

Corporations love to talk about employee loyalty, but so rarely do they return that loyalty. But when employees finally get fed up, companies scramble to try and blame worker turnover on anything other than their own actions. Figuring out why workers aren't loyal is not a black box that requires the opinions of eight HR experts. It simply requires the understanding that loyalty is earned, not owed.

Despite what some may have you believe, it is very easy to foster loyal workers. Pay employees well, and on time. When problems are created by the company or management, offer an actual apology and some sort of compensation. Set reasonable hours and give fair vacation time.

And, I repeat, pay them well.

MIT Sloan Management Review recently published a thorough study about worker attrition. The researchers found that apparel retailers had a 19% attrition rate, meaning roughly one in five workers left the company over a six-month period. Fast-food restaurants, research hospitals, and the hotel-leisure industry all had an 11% attrition rate. According to the study, the top reasons people quit were toxic corporate culture and job insecurity or reorganizations.

Somehow it took a vast study analyzing 34 million workers to show that people don't want to work at a place with a terrible culture and where people are fired all the time. People are not quitting their jobs because of a newfound rebalancing of their priorities, or because they're reevaluating their lifestyles; they're quitting because the conditions they are working under are not worth the amount of money they're being paid.

This entire conversation has been intentionally obfuscated by the corporate entities that stand to benefit from the status quo. The reason there are so many articles that treat mass resignations as a mystery to be solved is that corporations do not want to improve conditions for workers, as they believe that they are owed access to labor at the wages they want to pay.

The furor over the Great Resignation isn't about workers suddenly becoming unfeeling cynics leaving the companies that nurtured them; it's a capitalist tantrum from corporations being told to clean up their rooms. These companies are furious that they have to do anything other than keep people off the unemployment rolls in order to get the labor they want and the loyalty they've come to expect. What we're seeing is the largest act of hypocrisy in corporate history: companies complaining that they can't have unfettered access to loyal, reliable workers who they're then allowed to disregard any time it suits them. And the so-called "Great Resignation" is going to continue until companies decide to extend to workers the same kind of loyalty, consistency, and value they expect in return.

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