Thread regarding Honeywell International Inc. layoffs

Looks like a Biden hoax in the making. Where is the EO Joe? It appears no such mandate has been sent to the White House’s Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs yet for approval. The White House, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), and the Department of Labor haven’t released any official guidance for the alleged mandate. There is no executive order. There’s nothing but press statements. I hope all these companies did fall for it. Look out if they did.

All US employees at non-manufacturing sites must be vaccinated by Dec 8 or be terminated. My manager explained that company wide email will come out on Tuesday. People managers were given preview of memo and the usual talking points.

Any details in that memo regarding timelines for the the non management types, other than to back in the office on Nov 1?

Memo sent to people managers this afternoon. Get your vax card completed by Dec 8 or you will be terminated without severance. Med and religious exemptions will be extremely difficult to obtain. Also back in the office November 1. No exceptions for “general” whatever reason. Welcome to the New World Order.

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@6kpq ... I wanted to give you a up vote but "which-doctors"? Come on Man!

The Vaccines CLEARLY are not working so you pro-vaxers are full of it. Talk about burying your head in the sand

The perfect opportunity for MadDog and his cronies to end WFH for good and shrink HON's US workforce even further without the need to pay severance. This is a wet dream scenario for them. Vax mandate will be here soon for all HON employees!!!

Virus isn't going anywhere. Honeywell is a government contractor. Can't imagine those unwilling to get vaxxed are still getting weekly tests a year from now. Pretty easy to see where it's going. It will eventually be mandatory to work here it's just a matter of time.

The judicial pushback against unconstitutional Covidian mandates has already started:
ABC News: "Judge blocks medical worker vaccine mandate in NY state"
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/judge-blocks-medical-worker-vaccine-mandate-ny-state-80014754

@5hth+1cKNQIyy

You're another cracker jack lawyer with a law degree from Whatsamatta U. SCOTUS also said that black people aren't people in the Dredd Scott ruling of 1857. Does anybody follow that nonsense? NOPE. Jacobson v Massachucets was used to green light eugenics and sterilization of the "unfit". And I don't see anybody following that ruling either. Informed consent, HIPAA, equal protection clause, human rights, civil rights, ADA, and a 98.4% survival rate, combined with the fact that Biden's own staff tweeted that this executive order is a workaround the constitution will pretty much spell the end of the shenanigans when the current SCOTUS rules on it.

@4mae+1cKNQIyy

You would give up your consititutional rights and essential liberties on a maybe!? The lies keep coming and the goal posts keep moving. You obviously forgot that "two weeks to flatten the curve" turned into "this isn't about your freedom". COVID is now endemic and if we follow your delusional ideas, we'll never return to anything resembling normal. The way back is to say no and take back our freedom.

@5hth
No comparison. You would have also stood by Dred Scott that was overturned and forced sterilizations. Roe is next to be overturned...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

Sorry folks. This has already been challenged in the Supreme Court. You weren’t around in 1905. Guess what? You already lost your legal challenge.

It's safe, Biden and Fauci said so.

@4mae+1cKNQIyy vax or not vax people are still getting covid. Im vax and got covid and got pretty sick from it. But we were told I thought we cant get it if vaxed. So to me we are being lied to about the virus. So people go with you gut instinct how you want to go about this virus. BE safe out there

Some of the posters on this tread are pathetically misinformed about COVID and the vaccine(s).

It's about time this vaccine was mandated. Maybe this will launch us back on a better path.

Joe and his cronies openly admit that this is a work around the constitution. Just wait until SCOTUS rules on it. Joe has no constitutional authority to mandate experimental therapies on us while Congress and the labor unions are exempted. Equal protection clause and a slew of other legal litmus tests will take care of this nonsense.

VAERS CDC Disclaimer

VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases.
This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.

@4xtn+1cKNQIyy

The HR Karen already sent an email out saying HON will gladly and happily comply with the illegal mandate. The illegal mandate is, mandatory vax have for the rest of your life or weekly COVID testing which I'm sure HON will make the employee pay for. If anyone ever thought about leaving, now is the time. Enough is enough.

@3ugr+1cKNQIyy

I already had COVID. Per the study in Israel, I'm better protected by my naturally acquired immunity than the Pfizer jab by a factor of 20+. You forget that more than 99.5% of people under 65 will survive all COVID variants per the CDC. So, why would you want to make the rest of us suffer for 0.5% of the population? No science or sense there.

@4hvt+1cKNQIyy seriously, get the vax, don’t get it and get tested weekly, find another job or get an attorney if they try to push you out - what ever you do is better than posting rubbish online.

And please take care of yourself, because there are some important facts you seem to be missing.

Like we don’t know much about long term effects of getting covid either, and judging by the people coming with all sorts of post-covid conditions, it could be pretty severe.

Or that we also don’t know how long acquired immunity lasts, were there you acquired it by surviving the virus or getting the vaccine, based on what’s happening around us and on what most reseaches say they both wear off in about 6-8 months.

Or that the people who haven’t been vaccinated or survived it don’t have antibodies to neutralize it at all.

Bottom line - Unvaccinated people affect corporation profits. Who cares about your liberties. Your constitutional rights.

You’re not looking at the big picture. Until everything goes back to normal. The stock market will be affected, and all businesses in America will never return to pandemic levels.

We want our money back. Which we lost during the pandemic. Plus, we want to make more money.

So you are a guinea pig, or mice in our game of wealth. Big deal if you have health problems later on, or die. It’s my money. I want it now.

We will create stock for the hospitals and the funeral homes. When you show up either being vaccinated or not vaccinated. Still making money.

@1mjb+1cKNQIyy

The facts are unchanged:

1. The jabs don't keep your from getting COVID (all variants) or getting sick from COVID
2. The jabs don't keep you from transmitting COVID (all variants) to others
3. Acquired immunity is better than any of the jabs
4. Masks and physical distancing practices haven't stopped the spread
5. We know nothing about the long term effects of these experimental jabs
6. My constiutional rights are more important than you fears

@3mby: My daughter tried the allergy excuse at her college and it didn't work. The doctor at the health center there would not accept a simple statement from her that she was allergic to components of the vaccine. They required medical history or testing to prove it.

Just take the religious exemption if you strongly don't want to take this vaccine. You can also use medical exemption by telling a doctor you are allergic to certain substances in the vaccine. Doctors have to accept patient statements on allergies, they cannot 'test' by asking you to get exposed to the substance

We will only know the true effects of the vaccines in the years to come. Maybe none, maybe something - anyone's guess right now. There is simply no data. This is the fastest roll out of a new dr-g ever. Typically there is a lot more testing required. The dr-g companies were simply in a race to get their share of the billions the government was offering. Now they want more $$ for booster shots. We are in an unprecedented time where the government is printing trillions of dollars and doling them out the companies that are most likely trying to follow their agenda. Honeywell got a ton of $$ to make masks, I will say way more than they are worth. Honeywell wants more government $$ and will do what it takes to hopefully get more.

@3ugr Karen,
See the Gupta-Fauci clip on natural immunity below. Look at the VAERS database for deaths and severe reactions. Then also ask yourself why are therapeutics being denied in hospitals. Why are hundreds of thousands of CDC, FDA, NIH and healthcare workers, who normally take a annual/traditional flu shot, willing to lose their jobs over the 2x, 3x, 4x Jabs that still allow you to contract and spread the Rona?

If Rona hits me or my family we will take proven therapeutics prescribed off-label by our critical-thinking doctor instead of being put in a drip and ventilator and waiting to die in an ICU unit. Critical thinkers will never take the gene-therapy Jabs...

OK, so, you anti-vaxers are very out spoken right now. But when Covid hits and/or ki--s you or your loved ones, will you/your family join the "I regret not having gotten the vacine" folks? Will you post your regret HERE? Of course not. COVID IS IN YOUR FACE and KNOCKING AT YOUR DOOR. The should've, would've, could've folks are getting statistically higher on the daily. Just sayin'

One of the growing number of "tip of the iceberg" stories coming soon to a hospital near you:

"Hospital to stop delivering babies as maternity workers resign over vaccine mandate"

https://www.wwnytv.com/2021/09/10/hospital-stop-delivering-babies-maternity-workers-resign-over-vaccine-mandate/

VAERS data released Friday by the CDC showed a total of 675,593 reports of adverse events from all age groups following COVID vaccines, including 14,506 deaths and 88,171 serious injuries between Dec. 14, 2020 and Sept. 3, 2021.

When it comes down to it, all the big talking anti vaccine tough guys on here will go get the jab instead of walking off the job:

https://wgntv.com/news/huge-number-of-unvaccinated-delta-workers-got-vaccine-after-200-surcharge-announcement-official-says/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Hmmmm interesting when the White House and Congress are exempt from Vax mandate. Sc--w companies that are mandating vax.

This is just bad policy all around and the company will execute on this in the worst possible way because they are utterly incompetent

Excellent!
Gupta — ‘Why should anyone get Vaccinated if they have immunity from a prior Covid infection?’

Fauci — ‘I don’t have a really firm answer for you on that’

https://youtu.be/s0kneU_EUFY

That CNN clip of Dr. Gupta grilling Fauci on natural immunity has gone viral on many social media platforms!

We know from that study in Israel that even the 3rd shot isn't working with Delta and they are going to a 4th! No wonder that the Covid cards came pre-printed with 4 lines -- they lied and knew all along that the Jabs are leaky! Heads are exploding...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fauci-was-untruthful-to-congress-about-wuhan-lab-research-new-documents-appear-to-show/ar-AAOgg4Q

Covid, Covid, Covid that’s all they want to talk about

It’s about the greater good

Maybe if you were less intransigent, we would be receiving less of these
"Unfortunately, we have learned that one of our colleagues has been
confirmed with COVID-19 coronavirus. " emails every day - i.e. IT IS NOT
ALWAYS ABOUT YOU

Going on about who is to blame or who is President is does ZERO to ending
this nightmare - playing semantics with words like "pandemic" or "endemic"
does noting to end this nightmare.

All of us are going to pay in the end for this nightmare - $20K a day for
Covid care in a hospital - who do you think ends up playing for this.
Insurance rates for all of us increase - We all pay in the end

If you don't believe in the vaccine - are you comfortable sending a letter
to your insurance provider, that you consent NOT to be treated for Covid,
god forbid you catch it.

Every avoidable Covid infection that requires hospitalization is taking away
another critical care bed from someone more deserving, like someone with a
heart attack
Your decisions have consequences far beyond you. Jobs are being lost, family members are being lost

People not getting vaccinated = more restrictions = less people/ aircraft
flying = less R&O/ OEM spend = less Honeywell work = less jobs = less
deposable income = tough times for you & your family - your decision
IMPACTS more than just you.

Get America vaccines and flying again

“ Are they still required to get the vaccine or be tested weekly? This is not being addressed in the media reporting.”

I would say yes , get the shot. Until this thing is long behind us, we should be doing everything possible to clamp down and ki-l it once and all

So what are Honeywell and other companies doing with people who have actually had the virus and have natural immunity? Are they still required to get the vaccine or be tested weekly? This is not being addressed in the media reporting.