The Bay Area peeps can move where they can afford to live.
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This is what California Guy said, "Make no mistake, the SF HQ will never go away. It's the bedrock of this movement, it's here where the directive for D&I starts. It awaits us, we the proletariats, the engine of this company. So no need for judgement, shift away from that please".
California Guy, I agree totally. That's the spirit. The pessimism going around is not the answer. I put so many years into this company. Not giving up. No way I'm doing that. WF is too big to fail. No way will it sink, and no way will the HQ in SF go away. I don't believe WF is going into a major downward spiral. All this doom and gloom about layoffs is stressing me out so I'm going to be positive. 20 years into this company, I'm not throwing all that away by giving in. No way. The company is transitioning into something better, that's all going on right now.
Nobody in SF can comprehend the oppressive swampy weather in Charlotte. You really have no idea. But Athen again, nobody in the Deep South or that matter, the U.S. or the world can really comprehend the disintegration and degeneration in San Fran Sicko.
Here’s rooting for a change in HQ.
quoting @4cej+16JwszQe: "california guy" is pretty clearly a joke.
Whoa, fellow Wells bro. No need for that, the smearing of my character or calling into question my authenticity. I made it to self-actualization and what you see is what you get. But you have no right to judge me. You have no right to do that. I'm not mad, you know, I'm just saying. After all, we are one, united as proletariats. It's the duality, the separateness that divides us but we're ultimately one. You and I, I and you, united. We are WF, WF is us. We got to keep in mind the cohesive force that helps bring awareness of the real situation, the real deal. It's the world to come, where we transcend boundaries and form a classless society. It's start with diversity and inclusion. That's why we got to embrace the D&I movement within Wells. It's one of the pillars of a classless society. The movement stems from the SF HQ. Make no mistake, the SF HQ will never go away. It's the bedrock of this movement, it's here where the directive for D&I starts. It awaits us, we the proletariats, the engine of this company. So no need for judgement, shift away from that please.
For those who can't read between the lines – @2kxx+16JwszQe / "california guy" is pretty clearly a joke. The HQ is hilariously outdated and spartan, actually maybe that's why no one from our upper management (aka JPM) is out here – prolly isn't shiny enough to appease Scarf's ego
“so in the diversity and inclusion training we had to complete recently they specifically say that you can't be discriminated against because of geographic location, so make sure to complain to HR.”
Can’t. My manager looked into it and she said it’s not discrimination. It’s just your garden-variety xxstupidityxx.
"Spoken like a true progressive in its totalitarian flair. Reminds me of David Horowitz's famous line, 'Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out.' - @3ceo+16JwszQe
LOL, I was thinking the same thing. And you can say the same about Chucky and Saul.
"You'd be amazed. At the IT side, I deal with a team in the West coast, and they're so West coast-centric that they forget people are in other time zones."
so in the diversity and inclusion training we had to complete recently they specifically say that you can't be discriminated against because of geographic location, so make sure to complain to HR.
Marin lol..."we're so progressive but we don't want black people or vaccinations."
I hope Marin sinks into the ocean during the next earthquake.
"Who the he11 schedules a 7pm EST call on a Friday? "
You'd be amazed. At the IT side, I deal with a team in the West coast, and they're so West coast-centric that they forget people are in other time zones.
On my last business trip (about a year ago), I got to experience Uptown. It's a hopping place. The Music Factory is a good hub for concerts, bars, restaurants, great for a night out.
This is the funniest thread. On one side you got a progressive Californian, insistent on his (or her?) ways, intolerant and set in his ways–no room for compromises, no dialog, no flexibility. Every location on the planet is horrid except where he is. Spoken like a true progressive in its totalitarian flair. Reminds me of David Horowitz's famous line, “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out.” Then we have the friendly spaced out WF teammate hugging trees in the redwoods, babbling new age mumbo jumbo. I hope they're not in management, or we're really doomed. Just kidding. :-)
quoting @3kut+16JwszQe
“oh boy are you a bad and unfunny writer.”
Hey fellow Marin resident. You're that same dude, right? I hear both you and that other poster, conflict on the surface but united in humanity. That poster is only complimenting your humor. Just had to say that. I feel the vibe. It's the same feeling I get when I walk in the woods and hear the trees, the streams, like man it's one big unity and I'm part of it. Transformation of consciousness. You look at things one way, now you see it another way. We see duality, the separateness of things, but when you step back, man oh man, you see we're all joined as ONE. We're all part of it, we're all part of WF, WF is us. Separateness on the surface but there is an underlying oneness. I'm just saying.
Comment from 3jqb+16JwszQe:
“If the best thing you can say about a city is that it has a big airport you know you live in a sh–ty place lol”
Um, I’m in the Bay Area. I was just commenting on the other poster’s comment about how the CLT airport grew into a busy airport. You need to calm down, Sherlock, and read the comments carefully.
"This is really good levity, considering the tough times we are going through at Wells"
oh boy are you a bad and unfunny writer.
" That's why the CLT airport turned into a major hub."
If the best thing you can say about a city is that it has a big airport you know you live in a sh–ty place lol
“That's why the CLT airport turned into a major hub.”
The latest tally I've seen is that CLT is now the fifth busiest airport in the nation. This could be one reason why HQ (if true) would be moved to New York. The airport is actually considered a megahub and it has many daily flights to NY from CLT. It's also a major hub for international travel.
@3ycn+16JwszQe said: “How convenient that you focus just on SV and SJ. The vast majority of WF Employees in the Bay Area don't live in SV. They're in SF, Marin, Peninsula and Easy Bay. People fly in from all over the world to enjoy those areas. I dare you to find one European who've said "Yeah let me next vacation be Charlotte, NC. Lol”
This is really good levity, considering the tough times we are going through at Wells.. :-) I got to hand it to you, you know how to do the underlying irony while doing the tongue-in-cheek approach with a straight face and deflecting it to a SF vs. Charlotte vacation comparison. Then humidity vs. heat waves. My point was, you criticize the weather in Charlotte when our weather in California also has its drawbacks. But you do it like you don't know what's going on and with a serious tone and how you insist our Golden State is the perfect mecca despite having its own set of drawbacks. I like that kind of humorous irony. Then you bring up the SF vacation choice of Europeans when you know full well tourism is down in SF. The homeless crisis is driving tourists away. Our beaches have been invaded by homeless tents. I live in the East Bay so I see the repercussions. Yet the irony you bring up is fantastic, the part about people from all over the world flying in to see the East Bay. I love it. I guess Walnut Creek is just irresistible to behold, and Mount Diablo is the only mountain in the world so people need to see it. Likewise, the peninsula with its major tourist destination, the Oracle campus. Gotta see that. Then you go into the part about whether Europeans go to Charlotte for vacation. Of course, they don't. It's a second tier city. But I laughed so hard when you humorously left out that it's a hub to other nearby great destination areas. That's why the CLT airport turned into a major hub. The Outer Banks tops the list right now for travel destinations according to Forbes, and Hilton Head has always been a popular destination, with people from all over the world visiting. The other poster said it well, about how every place is great and that nothing is perfect. In a way, you said that too by approaching it from a humorous irony kind of thing. Well done!
The part about the hot and humid weather in Charlotte is a hoot, like we don't have hot weather here in California. :-)
What part of "Humid" didn't you understand?
"Then the part about the lack of cool things in Charlotte takes us right to the irony that there's nothing in Silicon Valley but concrete buildings, and San Jose isn't exactly known for a hip night life."
How convenient that you focus just on SV and SJ. The vast majority of WF Employees in the Bay Area don't live in SV. They're in SF, Marin, Peninsula and Easy Bay. People fly in from all over the world to enjoy those areas. I dare you to find one European who've said "Yeah let me next vacation be Charlotte, NC. Lol
SF is literally a toilet - https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2019/04/15/mapping-san-franciscos-human-waste-challenge-132562-case-reports-since-2008/#65bc368b5ea5
@2spc+16JwszQe said: "Haha I remember visiting Charlotte and saw the two attractions, the Nascar museum and Billy Graham museum. It was awful. Hot and humid with no character and nothing to do. Sure it's cheap, but it's a hellhole. "
Stop it. You're making me laugh so loud. :-) Just like your other satirical post below, you nailed it again. I'm busting up big time, and my wife and kids are looking at me wondering what's going on. A lot of comedy is based on discrepancy, between how things seem and how they really are. You got that down! The part about the hot and humid weather in Charlotte is a hoot, like we don't have hot weather here in California. :-) We've had nothing but 100-degree dry arid desert heat waves all summer. Then the part about the lack of cool things in Charlotte takes us right to the irony that there's nothing in Silicon Valley but concrete buildings, and San Jose isn't exactly known for a hip night life. But the "hellhole" comment is the main clincher, considering the homeless squalor in the Bay Area. Not to denigrate the other threads, but this kind of humor is a welcome break from all the serious layoff stuff.
@2spc+16JwszQe Uptown Cabaret isn't bad.
Haha I remember visiting Charlotte and saw the two attractions, the Nascar museum and Billy Graham museum. It was awful. Hot and humid with no character and nothing to do. Sure it's cheap, but it's a hellhole.
@2kxx+16JwszQe - lol
I'm an employee based in SF. I for one am so in enraptured being in Northern California. The SF HQ is awesome, and I live in Marin! The diversity and open-mindedness in this area is second to none! Like my manager said, WF has plans to tackle the homelessness. He has heard some executives support what the Oakland mayor suggested about opening our doors to homeless people. That's a deeply moving idea. WF has good intentions and that's why the SF HQ will never go away. It's all good here. I mean, in Marin, you got a great community, great people. Like my neighbor, he has united with another man, and his wife is still there supportive of his decision. Their kids are being taught the spirituality in nature. My own kids are in an alternative school with a teacher who has transitioned. It's so full of humanity. No judgements of any kind. Just tolerance and acceptance. Here at WF, my co-workers have fascinating backgrounds. From all walks of life, including LGBTQ. On weekends, I join a community of warm people in the redwoods and hearing them reminisce about their experience with the summer of love, 1969, Woodstock, that time period, is incredible. It's a humbling experience to learn about all of these things, other life experiences. So the SF location is great. And I think it's one of the reasons why we have this emphasis in the company for diversity and inclusion. I have a feeling we'll probably have more town halls about it. WF is doing the right thing with that. It's a good direction for the company.
@2esl+16JwszQe said:
Packed up, headed back home to Marin.
Couldn't be happier. Headed to Tahoe this weekend. Where else do you have so many awesome places so close?
Hilarious! That's good satire. I was having a bad morning but when I read your comment, I felt better. Driving to Tahoe from the Marin area is quite the haul, at least 3 1/2 hours at best, without traffic. Lake Tahoe itself is polluted. I didn't expect that kind of satire. It's sort of refreshing from the usual layoff discussions.
I'd rather die than live in Charlotte. Have lots of family there. Too provincial. Lots of transplants, but they haven't overcome the underlying culture (or lack of one). Blech.
It's bland (think milktoast) with no identity, and no real history like NYC or SF.
Living on the coasts rocks! For now, being able to wear a sweatshirt and jeans in the winter is beyond awesome and liberating.
And I haven't seen one mosquito in the 2 yrs I've lived in CA. Priceless!
What is Jello Salad? Is that even a thing?! 🤣 Ruthless on here.
Lived on both coasts. Orange County, CA and NYC, Hell’s Kitchen/Chelsea. Also lived in Miami, Hawaii and Tokyo.
Every place is unique and different, beautiful in fact. I was less stressed living in Hawaii, but gained a ton of weight from too many “Onolicous” delights. I got island fever after a year and half. Raised in OC, but family was from Brooklyn, NYC and LI. OC had the surf, sun and sand year round. Made healthier choices. Hated the traffic and commuting. Stayed the length of a project for the LAX area and several SFO infrastructure projects.
In NYC, still ate c-ap, but walked everywhere, no need for a car. Still have family and friends there. Always ask them to bring bagels.
Japanese culture made me more calm and reserved. Everything was very gentle and delicate, taught me so much in a short period of time. I learned to live with a lot less. Spaces are extremely small, smaller than an NYC Studio.
Miami, on a whole other level, wild just wild. Probably in the best shape of my life living in Miami. Too many people wanted to visit and party. There’s so much more to Miami than SoBe.
Still love each place for different reasons. Good people everywhere. Even here in Charlotte where I put down roots and started a family.
I was in the Concord office for 7 years. Moved to Charlotte, continued working in WF. Then eventually got laid off. I’m in the IT side of things, and found a better job in a major high tech company. I was glad to leave California. Love it here in the Crown City, great restaurants, diverse restaurants actually, easy flights to Florida and the Caribbean, and much closer to Europe. That just happens to be my interests. Point is, for those who fear getting laid off, I know it’s scary but believe me things will get better. It happened to me. I feel healthier, feel blessed that my lifestyle improved, and I know you’ll find a great situation after your Wells Fargo life.
I lived in Charlotte for several years and was bored out of my mind. Passive aggressive, bless your heart culture, despite transplants. Underlying bitterness, not sure why.
Packed up, headed back home to Marin.
Couldn't be happier. Headed to Tahoe this weekend. Where else do you have so many awesome places so close?
Yes, CA has issues. But ask how many who've left if they want to return. Honest people miss it, despite its flaws.
Do you really need a laundry list of why many other areas s—?
I agree with OP. Haters gonna' hate. Sorry (not sorry) so many of you are so jelly. Peace out :)
“I'll be thinking of y'all as I drive over the Golden Gate Bridge today, watch the sea otters, kayak on the Pacific Ocean with my wife, and head to our home nestled among majestic redwood trees.
You get what you pay for!”
yeah man, enjoy the smoke-engulfed atmosphere from the annual wild fires. The rolling blank-outs, the strict water restrictions, the grueling traffic, vast distances, the unreasonable state-wide lockdown from Gov. Twosome, and the constant threat of earthquakes also add convenience to one’s life. I lived there for 15 years so I know what it’s like. So happy to have left. Mass exodus continues. That is a fact. It’s not the golden days of California that the Beach Boys sang about. But here’s the good news: the state’s population is not being depleted bc, hey man, it’s all a cool sanctuary haven. No doubt you’re enjoying subsidizing all those new residents through high taxation. But don’t worry, you’re Mr. Righteous so you got it covered. Redistribution of wealth and all, Comrade. But for many of the hard-working taxpayers, they’ve reached the breaking point. Hence, the exodus.
@1lzz+16JwszQe seems like a lot of people disagree with you - https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/09/01/san-francisco-monthly-one-bedroom-rental-costs-continue-downward-trend/
Cece Deville @1nlc+16JwszQe
I didn't say SF. I said Bay Area. Clearly, you don't know the Bay Area well (you said San Diego in SoCal was your stomping ground). Lots of incredibly beautiful areas in the Bay Area.
The downvotes prove my point – haters gonna' hate. Pure jealousy. Every downvote makes me smile :)
I've lived all over the world, incl. NYC. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and people have different priorities.
Look at the culture in the Bay Area that fosters the lionshare of innovative, leading companies Americans are familiar with – 4 out of 5 in FAANG alone based in Bay Area – Facebook, Apple, Netflix, Alphabet (Google)....also, Salesforce, Twitter, Uber, Lyft, IDEO, etc. Top-notch biopharma, medical, etc. The list goes on and on.
Beauty AND brains in the Bay Area.
Ocean, mountains, wine country, surfing, skiing. (Every place has negatives, incl. those related to Mother Nature and climate change... CA has earthquakes and fires, but others have tornadoes, hurricanes, snowstorms.)
How many people are flocking to Charlotte as a tourist destination?
I'll be thinking of y'all as I drive over the Golden Gate Bridge today, watch the sea otters, kayak on the Pacific Ocean with my wife, and head to our home nestled among majestic redwood trees.
You get what you pay for!
Hey Karen, it’s probably you’re useless engineer husband that is losing his free ride and is blaming the Latina. He probably snubbed her and thought she was rude because she wasn’t part of the Good Ole Boys Club and came whining to you about it. Afraid he’s losing that free ride sweetheart? I guess no more trips to Myrtle Beach and wearing crocs with your Vera Bradley Tote Collection. I can tell by your post that you need to go make a jello salad or eat a mayonnaise sandwich to calm down. FOH!!!
@1iwp+16JwszQe You think your hipster new grads want to work for a bank?? Wells will never get the young talent that flocks to Silicon Valley, who are only there for the hip startup life. The smart ones leave after they get their 5 year Bay Area fix and head literally anywhere else in the country where they can actually live a decent life on their 6 figure salary.
If WF wants to be a tech focus company, then moving away from SF should be the last thing. Nothing beats the energy, attitude and yes the all-round weather here in silicon valley.
@1cgx+16JwszQe "One thing I thoroughly disliked was having to bow and bend to the time zone and scheduling of SFO. Seriously? It’s 7 pm on a Friday and now you want to do a conference call?!?!"
Who the he11 schedules a 7pm EST call on a Friday? What's more common is those of us in the west having to work central or east coast hours to accommodate those on the east coast. Forget trying to schedule anything after 2p pacific. And there are plenty of times when people have to be on calls at 6 or 7am pacific. It goes both ways.
@1ozo+16JwszQe
"I'd rather be in the Bay Area over NYC or Charlotte any day.
Why do they hate Californians? Because they are jealous.
We might be looking for new jobs, but we'll still be living in a much better place than y'all."
One of the VPs I know moved to to Charlotte so he can buy a bigger house and pay less taxes. He say he's happy but he looks miserable lol .
California is California. It's either you love it or you hate it. Most lifelong Californians move away for a more affordable lifestyle– but long to be back to CA everyday.
@fwn+16JwszQe
"People in the bay area are not moving to Charlotte or wherever. They'll go work elsewhere in the bay area. It's not like Wells is the only (or even best) place to work in the bay area. Salesforce might be letting some go, but they built a sh1t ton of office space there."
I agree with you. Most people who are originally from the Bay Area will stay here...whether WF is here or not.
@1cgx+16JwszQe Liar, they patch everything! If you ever worked there you were probably snubbed for being rude and dishonest. Your post proves you're not credibile.
isnt California where wells get most revenue from?