Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

RTO workers say it’s 100% pointless to be in person

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Workers are putting on pants to return to the office only to be on Zoom all day
Pandemic-era safety procedures have created a new dynamic at work, in which many employees say they’re operating at work the same way they were at home.

As many office workers head back to the office — even as the delta variant spreads across the United States — employees are facing a bizarre new reality: They’re still spending most of their time isolated and glued to their computers for Zoom meetings, email and Slack.

Nick Kneer was excited to go back to the office. After working from home for about a year and a half, Kneer had missed the camaraderie he had with his co-workers at the Ohio-based university library system where he works as a communications coordinator. He was counting down until he could mingle with students and staff again.
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But his excitement quickly faded after the reality of in-person work turned out to be far from what he expected.
Instead, to avoid contracting the delta variant, he ended up locked in a “windowless, cinder block room” — his temporary office — attending most of his meetings via Zoom.
“It was definitely a bummer,” he said.

As many office workers head back to the office — even as the delta variant spreads across the United States — employees are facing a bizarre new reality: They’re still spending most of their time isolated and glued to their computers for Zoom meetings, email and Slack. With more companies implementing permanent hybrid working options — in which some employees work from home and others in the office — the virtual nature of work may far outlive the pandemic. And with it, so may the quirks of the new office environment.

“There’s this weird tension,” said Brian Kropp, chief of HR research for research firm Gartner. “We want everyone back in the office, but we still want everyone to do work by video.”

The way people work in offices now doesn’t look like how it did before the pandemic. And the technology that allowed many employees to work from home has followed them back into the office, from video conferencing to messaging services and collaborative work programs.
Zoom’s latest earnings suggest that video conferencing continues to be in high demand despite offices reopening and employees working in-person. During the second quarter, the company reported that revenue rose 54 percent from a year earlier to $1.02 billion, though that’s a slowdown compared to the 191 percent pop the company reported the previous quarter. Still, Zoom marked its first billion-dollar revenue quarter and had more than 504,000 customers using its service.

“Sales meetings have moved from conference rooms to Slack and to Zoom,” Salesforce President and Chief Operating Officer Bret Taylor noted during a recent earnings call. Salesforce recently acquired Slack for $27.7 billion.

Google parent company Alphabet said during its recent earnings call its digital business tools product called Google Workspace, which includes Gmail, Google Docs, and video conferencing service Google Meet, “continues to show strong growth.”
Emily Wagner, a classroom program manager for tutoring and test prep company Summit Educational Group in Newton, Mass., compared her back-to-work collaboration to prairie dog style of communicating. Occasionally she and her co-workers pop up from their office cubicles to talk to each other from across the room. But the majority of the time, she’s at work Zooming her team, who come in on different days for safety.
Beyond the “weird” experience of it all, Wagner says the biggest issue is when two people at the office in earshot are on the same Zoom call. If both people have their microphones on, the ambient sound creates an echo on the call. The only real way to solve it is to make sure others nearby don’t have their microphones on at the same time.
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“It’s an unmitigated nightmare,” she said. “It made me so crazy the first time I had to deal with it. It was like, ‘This is awful! Why are we doing this?’”

The dreaded video conferencing echo is a common complaint among workers who have been joining video calls from the office. One employee, who works at a public education system in Illinois and spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid conflicts with her employer, said she has the same problem on Microsoft Teams and Google Meet. The technology causes plenty of frustrations including spotty Internet in the office, where she is required to be five days a week, that sometimes can’t handle the volume of people on video calls.
Working from the office feels “essentially the same” as what she was doing from home. The most socialization she gets at work is an occasional “hi” if she passes a colleague in the hallway, she said.

“They’re still making sure people are social distancing and not all crowded into one conference room,” she said of her employer, acknowledging that the procedure makes sense from a safety standpoint. She said it feels “100 percent … pointless” to be in-person.

Some workers are in the office voluntarily. Harlan Crystal, co-founder and chief technology officer at mobile gaming company Pocket Gems, returned to his San Francisco office in May, about a month after the company opened its office for workers who wanted to voluntarily return. For him, going back to the office allowed him to get into a head space where he could better focus. It also helped him better separate his work life and home life.
But he says Pocket Gems’s hybrid working environment has been “messy for sure.” When teams have Zoom meetings, the few who are at the office convene in a conference room and join the meeting as a group via camera. As a result, people on the call have a hard time reading the emotions and reactions of the people joining from the conference room because their faces are too small, Crystal said. And if any remote employees share their screen on Zoom, in-office workers find the low-resolution images almost impossible to read, given that they’re viewing the presentation via a projector in the room.
“It feels more like going to Starbucks and working there,” he said. “You’re going to a shared place, but most of the people you’re working directly with aren’t there with you.”
The hybrid office is here to stay. The shift could be more disruptive than the move to all-remote work.
Gerry Martini, associate director of admissions for the Graduate Center at the City University of New York, said the lack of in-person interaction with his co-workers and prospective students makes him “dread” going to the office two days a week. On top of that, he commutes 40 minutes each way via subway, only to show up at work and do most of his interactions online. Meanwhile, the cafeteria and coffee shop in his building are closed, leaving little opportunity for him to have spur-of-the-moment conversations.
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“I look forward to going back on campus when I can do actual campus things,” Martini said. “It’s the people that make the experience. That sort of thing is not happening.”
Martini said he believes he and his colleagues were sent back to work mostly for economic reasons.
“There’s a perception we should go back because it’s good for the city versus what’s good for the employee,” he said.
Matt, a web developer at a university in New Jersey who spoke on the condition of not using his last name, said going back to the office to be on Zoom makes it hard to tell who is available or tied up. Before the pandemic, it was clear when people were busy in a meeting, as they’d all be together in one room. He hasn’t quite figured out the best way to solve the problem yet.

“When everyone is doing Zoom from their desk, it’s impossible to tell who is in a meeting,” he said, adding that co-workers have walked in on his meetings from his desk. “It’s very weird.”
Workers say employees going back to the office need to be prepared for a few things: They need to have a good set of noise canceling headphones or ear buds, and be prepared for in-person isolation.
For Kneer, the strange feeling of working from the office to do the same thing he does at home could be simplified down to the humor of his lunch situation. He takes lunch items from his fridge at home to take to work. Then he brings the items he took to make his lunch back home and puts them in his own fridge.
“It’s surreal,” Kneer said.

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Post ID: @OP+1d2RBPyv

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Ok 1) as others have said, many LOBs use Zoom. I’m in Control and we use it every day. 2) whether they meant Zoom or Skype or Teams, the point is that you sit all day on calls/video conferences rather than meeting in person.

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Post ID: @1auu+1d2RBPyv

@1bro+1d2RBPyv

A lot of people use zoom for calls. It's used a lot with external parties and even internal meetings. MS Teams will suck until it gets sorted out on a few things. Skype is used quite a bit too.

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Post ID: @1kqp+1d2RBPyv

Depends on the role. Other than masks, working in an office now would be just like before COVID, for me. Still no one in the building in my group, still communicating 100% by phone/email/Skype/Teams with people in other cities/states. Pretty much exactly the same, just with masks. If people in my group were in the building, then things would be different, but they aren't.

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Post ID: @1syw+1d2RBPyv

You're right - they don't care so we all have precisely two choices. Hardly even bears discussing.

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Post ID: @1mhk+1d2RBPyv

See, Wells Fargo execs don’t care about the employees. They don’t care that they’re disrupting our lives again. They don’t care that the majority of us functioned well remotely. They don’t care that they’re taking us away from our families with the commutes again. They only care about the $ and making sure they can get as many of us to leave as possible. Problem is, they’re going to lose the top performers and be left with those that do the minimum to not get fired. Great strategy.

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Post ID: @1syw+1d2RBPyv

Not to get in the middle of an innernets fight, but i know of two Munish directs that use zoom for their townhalls. Not sure if anyone has AMA’s other than Saul, but i guess it’s possible.

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Post ID: @1ajs+1d2RBPyv

I'm guessing this as an ad for zoom?

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Post ID: @1ogg+1d2RBPyv

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/09/27/return-to-work-in-person-hybrid/

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Post ID: @1xdc+1d2RBPyv

@1mmu You're meeting with your business partners via zoom but the claim was Townhalls and AMAs are being done over Zoom. They're not. Especially for WIMT.

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Post ID: @1rqg+1d2RBPyv

Not all…. WIMT uses zoom for a lot of meetings. I personally am on it at least an hour each day. Teams is not allowed for regulated workers, but yeah i don’t know the technology i’m using. 👍🏼👍🏼

Again, don’t assume what you use is what everyone uses.

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Post ID: @1mmu+1d2RBPyv

@1bet you're in the Technology LOB and don't even understand the tech you're using? All of Tech townhalls and AMAs are through MS Teams. This place is a joke.

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Post ID: @1dee+1d2RBPyv

@1bro

I use zoom and I work for WF. It’s used for a lot of tech management calls and ama/townhalls and such. Just because you might not use it, doesn’t mean it’s not used at the bank.

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Post ID: @1bet+1d2RBPyv

This is one great way for WF to; invite unionization; downsize the organization without paying severance. The latter is their plan, because there is ZERO logic in the RTO.

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Post ID: @1fno+1d2RBPyv

@1dny
You are confused. There is more cleaning;however, they are not going to sanitize keyboards and mice. That is the point. The people who dont have assigned seating will have to deal with that and supposedly you can’t reserve certain rooms longer than an hour or so. It’s an issue.

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Post ID: @1rhb+1d2RBPyv

@1oit

only to be on calls or Zoom literally the entire day

tell me you don't actually work at Wells Fargo without telling me you don't actually work at Wells Fargo.

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Post ID: @1bro+1d2RBPyv

Lol have you ever seen the cleaning crew? They used to come thru our offices around 6 PM and a few of us and my manager would normally end up in the office until 630-7 PM. One lady with a feather duster just waiving it around the desks and emptying your waste bin into her cart. I think they did a carpet shampoo once in 5 years I was there. The cleaning service is a vendor they pay for at corporate properties. You think they are spending big bucks to disinfect these sweatshop "neighborhoods" when they are trying to cut costs and make us quit? Thanks for the great COVID "kit" least year with a pos mask and an elevator key.

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Post ID: @1eiv+1d2RBPyv

People need to settle down a bit. The crews that clean will be using disinfectant nightly. There will be other basic sanitary protocols. Give it time, you'll see. Let's go RTO!

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Post ID: @1dny+1d2RBPyv

It’s a complete waste of time for most of us to trudge into the office, only to be on calls or Zoom literally the entire day. I, like many of you, don’t work with a single person in my state; every person is in another time zone.
But, WF leaders are desperate to get us back in there, in the hopes that they can shake a fair number of us loose without paying severance.
My question is what are they going to do if people aren’t fully compliant, e.g. someone is in the office 2 days a week rather than 3? Does that mean that person will get dinged with lower meaningless stock options in our supposed revamped incentive compensation plan?
And yes, I am sure that HR is reading all of this (hi there, HR consultant!) They know exactly how we feel and they don’t care.

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Post ID: @1oit+1d2RBPyv

The shift already happens and can’t be undone. Wake up, ‘leadership’

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Post ID: @1taf+1d2RBPyv

I'm somewhat looking forward to being back in the office. But it will be anything but like it was pre-covid WFH. The new portal will show many of as unassigned. I used to have a manager cube before workplace 2020. Before covid I had an assigned fridge sized cube and RTO will be unassigned. Joy. Crammed into a shared cube office space with who knows who used it when I wasn't. Let's be honest, some people are slobs.

Most people I work with now are either in a totally different city or prior full time work from home people. So I'm going to be on zoom most of the time anyway.

Moreover, there will be requirements to socially distance. I don't know how they expect that to happen when the cubes are small and my nearest neighbors sure as sh*t aren't 6 feet away or more.

It's going to be interesting to see what they do with cafeteria places assuming your office even has one.

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Post ID: @zln+1d2RBPyv

@hnw+1d2RBPyv - I’m with you! How do we organize the masses though?

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Post ID: @jah+1d2RBPyv

Yep. We need to fight back.
Industrial revolution, technology revolution, biomedical revolution.... these happened in a myriad of ways and with innovative thinking.

We're on the cusp of major change and are letting these old-school thinkers drag us backwards. Not acceptable!

Let's forge ahead and remain competitive. WFH and innovation are NOT mutually exclusive.

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Post ID: @tug+1d2RBPyv

Don’t talk about yourself that way 😂!

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Post ID: @vro+1d2RBPyv

What the heck is this??? So stupid!

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