Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

those of you complaining about the expense of the commute/related... if you think that you'll go to 100% remote and keep a salary that's pegged to your office... think again. We all know WF isn't the leader in this space - they're the follower... and this has been said by other CEOs from both fin services and tech - sure you can work from anywhere, but don't expect your salary to be the same as it was when you worked in an urban or suburban area with higher COL and commute expenses...

You sound like you’re entitled. Lazy, bitter and entitled. Boo hoo, cry me a river. Have some back bone. Some of us have been in office this whole pandemic with no option to wfh. It’s a job. A income to pay your bills, for gas, for that coffee, for your car, for a living. If you are so miserable for having to disrupt your wfh life and god forbid get up and go into work then leave, find something that suits your needs. You will be replaced, no worries, and most like a much more appreciative employee. Enjoy your rto :)

If they would just be honest about the reasons for going back that might soften the blow to most of us. BUT telling us that they want team comradery...that's a joke. Most teams a diverse in location and won't be able to "got o a conference room and white board things" except on Skype/Teams anyway. What's the difference between doing it in a stark, emotionless, impersonal cube or your home office? You're still not face to face. And the money for the buildings...they could save so much money...and give it back to the bottom line and stockholders. There is another reason they want us all back...they just aren't telling us what it is. The cube design is NOT conducive to a productive environment. I have only known ONE person in my 30 year career that didn't bring in personal items for their desk/cube...ONE. Everyone needs to feel comfortable for their 8+hours in the office a day...having to play musical chairs to find a desk each morning and locking your belongings in a locker on the side wall and having to leave the 'temp desk' spotless at the end of the day is NOT conducive to a productive workforce!

RTO was forced by a man with a personal bias who believes businesses are successful when staff is in the office. He was unable to implement this strategy at BNY Mellon. Quantitatively, he probably thinks the company will operate more efficiently. His metrics tell him that good talent will leave, but he probably sees that they also get paid more, so he is only focused on the fact that the bottom line will decrease along with headcount by losing that staff; so it is a good thing. He probably sees metrics that show that the strain on information security, network, and other IT resources is more expensive in a virtual environment than the closed office network. They also do not like having unoccupied offices for which they are paying good money. They want their tenants back, so why not set an industry trend. Furthermore, the cities are empty, and who makes money off residual commercial property, business loans, etc.? He is just looking at the numbers. Getting people in the office means more significant attrition, higher income, and decreased expenditures. You and I are just numbers on a spreadsheet. Decisions are not made with the staff in mind but with what the numbers say. WFC is willing to hurt employee satisfaction over the bottom line. It is no different from the push for offshoring, where companies were ready to break their customer satisfaction scores to save money - PERIOD.

@1mkv+1enmIHLL I don't have kids but the sooner we face the fact that things will not be back to "pre-Covid" in the near future, possibly ever, the better. Kids can't be vaxxed who need daycare. Can you imagine the mental toll on parents who have to send their kids to be cared for in a place where they might get a deadly or debilitating disease?

Older kids are in better shape but have some compassion for people who just can't change their routines with the snap of a finger, even if you can.

You do have a choice - you can leave. I did and negotiated remote permanently with my new employer.

Instead of complaining, take control of your career and personal life to balance in a way that works for you.

By the way. The more the folks that post on this board that they don’t want to RTO the better. You will have plenty of time to be home without a job and fewer of us will need to worry about layoffs. Please find another job where you can stay at home so attrition goes up. Better for those that actually will sign on to do the job we signed up for. Some of us were able to Work Remote since we started. Guess what. They ripped up the contracts and i was not happy but looked for the upsides. Get some steps in may do more to stop working evenings and weekends and get balance back in my life. This is a healthy thing. Sorry you actually have to put gas in your car. You should have always considered remote temporary. Be happy they are willing to give us flex.

Honestly what did you do pre covid. As with little children you are now thinking you are entitled for all the ridiculous reasons. Gas, coffee, long days. OMG what about the people at the grocery stores that have been supplying all of you through COVID. You WORK. If you don’t like what WF is doing it is easy. Get a new job. If you think that WF is the worst then please go find your WFH full time job paying corporate wages. People get real. Some companies are saying OKAY WFH but your salaries and increases will go down because guess what???? Look at all the money you are saving. I asked someone that joined WF and said the same thing after just joining. WF is going to lose people because the other offer they had was full time report. I asked why you didn’t take it? Insurance and benefits. If you all want to threaten HR and whine to your bosses you will lose. They don’t want to RTO either but they have to because their bosses expect it. We have all had a nice couple years but pre covid we were required to come to the office every day now 3/2 and we are complaining. I am waiting for them to say back in full time we are checking and if not you are welcome to leave. It will be grounds for dismissal. If you think a lawyer will take a class action suit on making entitled people expected to actually work from a redesigned office but OH MY no cubes. Who likes it. No one. Deal with it.

I hope they allocate Stamp hours for the water cooler chit chat. I think about 2 hours per day.

The things we ha I am amazed at the "I take exception Wells that you want me to come into the office" attitude. It's your job, deal with it.

I’ve done some voluntary RTO as I have a nice walk to work, it’s a nice change, and the office has been largely empty. It’s been fun to catch up with people on occasion. I’m also client-facing, and I think ultimately there will be a higher expectation for client-facing employees to come in.

However, I can’t for the life of me figure out why leadership is so heIIbent on bringing back support/ops/IT roles if the position can be done remotely. Those complaining are not whiners...they are stating valid concerns and making a lot of great points. I assure you CP has done NOTHING to make the offices nicer—in fact the office is much worse with “hotel” space and lockers. No free soft drinks like so many other offices, no wi-fi in some locations, limited fridge space already, expensive parking that’s not subsidized. And for those concerned about Covid I assure you no one wears a mask.

Anyways, RTO will get pushed b/c Omicron is going to be peaking mid-Jan, but I think a larger discussion is what RTO looks like when Covid is less prevalent. I think the savings and benefits would be huge for WFH-first policy for most roles. Unfortunately, our leadership has the emotional intelligence of a bucket of hair, so expect a lot of bad decisions until the bank is crippled by attrition.

I know how to solve this, we could stage a walkout! Everyone don’t show up for work on Friday!

I mean this sincerely and with care for every human being... if this is so traumatic to you, then you need to find another way to earn a living. Your mental and emotional well being isn't worth it. If you are in a position where you truly have no other options, then you can learn not to let it affect you so much. It's not worth it to let these circumstances eat at you.

@uww if past is prologue, I'll be miserable in the office no matter what.

@iqd there's no guarantees of that.

At some point, we all need to mentally move through this change. Like we need to move past the denial and anger. This most likely is going to happen sooner rather than later. And (at least for me), it’s better than the situation I had before COVID started. Don’t get me wrong, I’m working through all this myself. But in the end, YOU have a choice to make. Either YOU aggressively seek out a new job that meets your expectations or YOU learn to live with the current situation.

I guess if I am embracing candor, your assessment of return to office comes across as overly dramatic and resistance beyond all hope. Like what would it take for you to feel more comfortable with return to office? Is there anything? Or is it a hopeless case where you will be miserable no matter what?

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At least when they lay you off, it will be in a room with other people instead of on a zoom call.

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Fighting for your freedoms by complaining on an anonymous website? There's some self sacrifice for you right there. You have two choices - stay or go.

Nah, now we fighting for our freedoms of working from wherever instead of imprisoned to a building. They be proud af.

Hard to imagine how whiney America has become. The unbearable stress of having to drive to work. The generations who went before us and fought/died for our freedoms must be rolling in their graves at the pussification of our country.

Are trips to Walmart equally traumatic? Why not?

I don't care about the small things, all I care about is being good at my job and production, and RTO will negatively impact that. That's why I'm opposed.

I hate to be "that guy" to say this, but there really are a lot of remote jobs at other companies. If the negatives outweigh the positives, you need to move on. And the funny thing is, I like the free coffee at my center! It's nasty but comforting.

WOW little over dramatic??
who knew life on the surface was that bad. People coming out of their caves are in for a big surprise.

Welcome back to society, been back for a while now, much better than OP described.