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I am wondering whether the Union will give their okay if the Company should decide to allow additional union members to volunteer to leave with the EISP beyond the stated number.
I realize that unions are not only an advocate for employees, but are also a business, an enterprise that has to pay bills, salaries, 401(k)s (for some e-boards), meal and entertainment credit card accounts, political contributions, travel, rent, legal, and the like.
But I hope that they'll recognize the fairness in allowing those that have paid their dues the longest, and who might now be tired and in need a well-deserved rest, be allowed to do so with dignity, and at a reasonable age, rather that waste more of their time (and health) on this earth endlessly toiling away.
Pulling the opportunity for a financial windfall from these telco veterans, as a means to squeeze a couple of years more dues out of these tired soldiers to enrich the hall is just plain wrong.
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The Union's position is that training's on you, old timers, not the company, therefore you cannot retire, as you're too valuable to the company, to new hires (and, as dues payers, to them).
Deal with it and be happy to continue drawing a paycheck.
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Well, they blocked it and forced their dues paying members to stay on against their will.
These days it seems that the Union spends more time blocking beneficial stuff and being management's mouthpiece, than they do in getting involved in the day to day difficulties faced by the membership these days. Maybe they'll drop in around election time to see how we're doing?
"butt hurt" is something you'd know about @5goe
@5goe+1urejSJR you're clueless old man.
What areas are FAA 1 ?
I may be wrong, but I don’t think the union has anything to do with the VSP. And I do agree that they are a business and don’t won’t to see people leave. And I think poster before this one is butt hurt because VZ trying to get older workers out . That’s the cycle of business
Won't happen... because union workers are under contract. Plus, union is a business as well. The union won't allow their member the VSP opportunity. You know why??? The union will lose money! Sorry to say this, but the union does not have your best interest.
Re Post ID: @jdo+1urejSJR Are you ok ? What are you trying to say?
You paint with a wide brush when you say, "..the company probably happy to get these old f…ers out !"
Those old -------, as you condescendingly refer to them, have spent their better years making sure this enterprise continues successfully, and that customers receive the service they deserve day in and day out so long as they're our customers, our bread and butter.
It's easy to by a small man hiding behind a desk and hurling potshots via the anonymity of the internet at the good and decent men and women who are out there, both day and night, in all sorts of abysmal weather, and working through whatever adversity, in order to make sure the network remains up and running.
Those people you so disdainfully dismiss @jdo+1urejSJR are the reason you're still drawing a salary while ducking any real responsibility.
This company needs more doers, rather than desk-bound parasites who have the nerve to badmouth those who actually, substantially contribute.
Re Post ID: @4ool+1urejSJR. Are you ok ? What are you trying to say?
Verizon union workers are the laziest and most entitled people I’ve ever experienced. Your salaries are ridiculously high for the slow, leisurely pace you bring to work. It doesn’t matter if the union tries to “block” something. You can be fired (deserved IMO), the division can be dissolved, or your title can be eliminated. Dust off your resumes and be prepared to be shocked by the amount of work you’ll actually have to do in the real world.
Even for them, though out of touch with the rank and file as they may now be, it was deemed by the saner to be too transparent a cash grab at their older members expense, and I think they've now rethought the downside.
At least I hope so.
People want out or will just keep su-king on the VZ teet. Let them all go
Wow . Over 700 ! ? What is that, 20% of their field techs ?
heared over 700 put in for this eipp in FAA1 and company only wants 79 techs out ..wonder how many they will let leave
@1fgu+1urejSJR
All I Really Need to Know I Learned in VZLearn
@1fgu sounds like a guy trying to create a training job for hisself.
@1wag, so you agree with the union’s rationale that the onus for training the new hires falls on craft people with over 30 years who would instead prefer to throw in the towel and retire at this point with an EISP?
Training has gone down hill over the years. I worry about the new guys. They never learned the correct/safe way to do the job. Those are the ones who will get hurt or ki-led.
@1jis Have you seen what the training group has become? It's a pathetic mess of new hires who don't know the job themselves. Even with a fatality they won't go back to having people who did and know the job. I guess a human life is meaningless to them.
Your union is signaling that they're going to fight the surplus declaration to keep you here in order to protect jobs and to have you instead stay here to train others. Doesn't the company train people anymore?
@1kir+1urejSJR what are you talking about? EISP has already been offered on a limited basis.
What EISP for Union?? There letting all management operations go over 2k on the VSP and another 2500 coming in RIFs.
Union EISP prob not coming anytime soon just a few surpluses and then preparations for strike company isn’t ready or will want that right now IMHO
The union is on its way out. People that can’t get out of there house for work, definitely won’t get up for a strike. Why do you think they haven’t fully committed to WFH. If employees were in the office a strike won’t look good, but WFH avoids all that.
Where is this ESIP you speak of?
If the had their way, nobody would receive an incentive to retire.
New hires put in for the package
Lol
Pretty sure a lot more put in than they were looking for . Union probably panicked that so many want out and the company probably happy to get these old f…ers out !
In my own title I don't see where that's even a problem because they did not get the number of people to leave that they were looking for.
They SHOULD work to get all who put in for it outta here, but they are probably not gonna do that .