Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

https://www.thelayoff.com/p/@2kpk+18rdFmKk

I understand and thank you for the clarification. We are the same age, have remarkably similar family situations, hobbies, and medical issues. The only difference is that we always expected to be old with issues, which is inevitable, and we have them. I was fortunate in that my love for technology overtook my love for music. Technology burned me out but music is my relief.

Its called the Peter Principle...
employees rise up through a firms hierarchy through promotion until they reach a level of incompetence. My department just displaced a manager that was in over his head. The team is better off since he left...wish it would have happened a long time ago.

@2hyr+18rdFmKk, ummm, do you know how many people in the United States lost their life to COVID? Are you one of those people that went to the 'no masks' rally?

You sound like the type that caused the increase in cases this fall and winter. Sounds like you are the one that needs help. Wearing a mask is no big deal. I did see people arrested who did not, and they should be.

To the 61 year old, you kinda sound like a whiner. You seem to find fault in everything. Nobody wants to hire (or work with) someone who finds fault in everything. You need to be more adaptable or find a line of work that is independent and not team based. Maybe its your age, idk I am 50 and displaced after 22 years. I am relieved, the place turned toxic. Esp after the Wachovia merge. A positive attitude goes much farther than negative.

Regarding Post ID: @1kyq+18rdFmKk... I think that we are missing the prior 40 years of the story. I’m guessing 35 years of bar band employment. Fun while you’re young, regrets when you’re not.

@1rhq, Oh, I was told I was overly sensitive as well! The woman who was harassing me told her manager that I didn't see things correctly and I thought everyone was out to get me. She also said I needed serious therapy. This crazy old-timer (truly crazy) was looking straight in the mirror. Her manager stuck by her side though, because "she doesn't work like the rest of us, but she treats us all like family outside of work." That is exactly what he said to me. And her not working like the rest of us meant she didn't work very hard!! That is what was important to him. He lied to his manager and 2nd-line manager about the incident and I was completely blacklisted. There was a witness and they never talked to him.

Five years later that unethical, incompetent so-called manager has been laid off.

This company promotes bad behavior from executive management. We see it in middle market banking all the time. One manager told a lender to falsify a fee letter and bloat the attorney bill so we can secretly take more money without telling the customer. Another time the senior manager ignored it when two women were being s-xually harassed and this senior leader protected the male harasser because they were close friends and kept it away from HR finding out. Then bribed the harrassee to stay quiet. At the same time people are hand picked to take manager roles and don’t get properly interviewed or give other candidates a true shot. It’s just all about hiring your friends into those roles. - even when staffers run and complain to the manager to not hire such people as they really don’t want to work for said appointees. Then they unethically play favorites and make false promises to the employees to keep them happy and quiet until it’s all found out and morale is in the garbage can. This MMB manager still sits in this chair and does these things. However no one from above seems to care to fix it and get rid of her.

As I said previously, reading the comments affirm my beliefs as to why I was displaced.

When the pandemic hit, the downtown branch was closed and they were merged with our branch. At 61 years of age, with pre-existing health conditions (two heart attacks, triple bypass, stents and a Stage IVa Head and Neck cancer survivor), this posed a real threat to my life. Add to that my wife is disabled due to a very rare severe illness (Anti-receptor NMDA Autoimmune Encephalitis) that left her cognitively compromised and also at risk. At best, she can work a very simple job part time due to the cognitive deficits she suffers from. This leaves me to essentially provide for both of us. So here I am, 61 years old, a little over 4 years from retirement very thankful for a decent wage and benefits and working for a large corporation that by all appearances, cared about their employees. Add to that, thanks to Wells Fargo, I was able to acquire a mortgage (after recovering from a bankruptcy in 2013 due to my medical issues) to purchase the home we had been renting for 9 years. Things were looking up despite the challenges of reality. I was recovering financially from the losses I took after losing my job in 2018 and I had a place to finish my career and help others.

As you know, the times we currently live in are divisive at best, and as front-line workers, we experienced that on a daily basis. Despite company requirements for both customers and team members concerning COVID safety measures, there were challenges in dealing with that. We have two branches in our town. The downtown branch was shut down and those employees were merged with our branch in March of this year.

This is when things took a turn for the worse. Their blatant disrespect for the company rules and refusal to follow the guidelines made coming to work very stressful and challenging. During the last 9 months, I raised my hand dozens times to both my manager and the manager of the other branch concerning social distancing and mask usage. I was essentially blown off as nothing changed. Even in our huddles the branch members I’m speaking of did not wear their masks properly and sometimes not at all, even when standing a foot away from other team members and facing customers. Management said nothing. Two of the tellers from the downtown branch who mostly worked the window never wore their masks properly and often times didn’t have it on at all, even when entering the building! These are customer facing employees that are literally telling customers they can come inside for transactions but they have to wear a mask and yet fail to do so themselves! I had customers complain about it and reported to management but still nothing was done! But, I needed this job to support my wife and I so I dealt with it the best I could.

Then another change came to be. PB1s were now required to learn the Teller position. So now, with no increase in wages, I was required to learn an entirely new job and work behind the teller line, much closer to the team members that were blatantly disregarding the guidelines. The stress increased exponentially! During my teller training and observation, I worked with our service manager and was also seated next to our lead teller at the window one day. The teller next to him was one of the other branch members who had been disregarding the guidelines since the beginning. She had her mask down around her chin and after I sat down, she removed it completely! She did this intentionally knowing my fear and I very politely asked her to put her mask on. Our lead teller witnessed the exchange and can verify what I’m telling you. She reacted very unprofessionally, slamming the canister into the tube, yelling disrespectfully and then walking off the line. Management heard the raised voices and reaction yet again, did nothing.

The next day I raised my hand for the final time. I was told the times before to contact EAC concerning the stress of the situation, which I did. I told them what was going on and they told me to escalate the situation. I spoke to my manager about the incident at the teller line and told her about their recommendation. I find it highly ironic that I was “displaced” just a few days after that.

Nice going Wells Fargo! I know I can’t prove that raising my hand caused my displacement in a court of law but seriously, I’m not that naïve. I’ve been around the block a few times and I’m old enough to be the father of just about every team member in both branches for goodness sakes! When I brought up the incident to the manager of the other branch and said what she did was intentional, she said “You don’t know that”. “C’mon man!” She also, in so many words had previously said if I didn’t like it, I could move on! The teller I was sitting with was a witness to that incident described above. Aside from all that, the manager from the other branch is a very negative individual and influence. The things she says and the way she says them are often very sarcastic and negative. It’s quite apparent she doesn’t like her job, and her beliefs and negative attitude permeate her team and our branch when she was present.

So here I am. 61 years old, 4 years from retirement, with a disabled wife and no job during a pandemic and the worst economic times in recent history! I’m totally screwed and Wells Fargo is to blame! I can’t even work as a musician due to the pandemic! The lack of respect I experienced from management and team members affirm my feelings about Wells Fargo and are certainly not positive you can rest assured. I will never recommend your services and if asked, encourage others to go elsewhere. I knew of the reputation of Wells Fargo and the charges when I applied but I really thought they were trying to make a change. Sadly, I was wrong. It’s no wonder Wells has the reputation it so righty deserves.

FU WF!

Wells hr doesn’t care about labor laws. They only look to see if their internal policy or process was violated. Problem is no one has ever reviewed those policies for legal compliance. For example, EEOC only requires you to “notify” your employer of a disability. Wells plays/is dumb and states the employee has to follow an archaic process to get to a certain department so they can do another archaic process. There’s a reason they try to hide behind a mutual arbitration agreement.

I personally have witnessed the harassment personally. So I believe everything OP is saying.

I never worked in a place that would even attempt these types of things. Not sure if middle managment and HR are aware of the labor laws, maybe that is the next class that is needed at Wells.

I worked in a very hostile environment and did escalate it to my manager. Nothing was done to those and HR never notified. I was looked at as being too sensitive by some and others who witnessed what kept happening to me were appalled (including my manager). Eventually I navigated through it. It wasn’t easy. Good’ol boys club will protect one another.

An employment attorney I met with said I could sue the company for all that happened when reviewed against policy. I’m looking to develop my career and not a payout though. If I ever had to sue I could move forward with it. I know the statutes of limitations. Save emails. Save proof. Be diplomatic. Don’t get hung up in drama. Not everyone will handle things poorly and it could happen anywhere too. It’s not limited to Wells Fargo. It was a first for me though, that’s for sure. Sorry this happened to you. I understand bc I felt certain repercussions too for barely speaking up. Terrible feeling.

@1zyp+18rdFmKk

Nope try again. I am mature enough to acknowledge the good when they do good. There’s lots of it.

I am also mature enough to acknowledge when they do bad. Lots of that too.

No evidence of anything here though except a very vague, mildly incoherent post.

Tell me where I am wrong. I am man enough to admit it if I am missing something with this post specifically

Yes, but keep in mind they probably ruined his career. How would he answer this common application question:

During the last 5 years, have you been fired from any job for any reason, did you quit after being told you would be fired

Post ID: @1uxh+18rdFmKk

You are just as bad of a troll, but on the other side. You automatically disagree with anything written against WFC or Charlie, whether it’s true or not. Don’t pretend otherwise.

This whole thread is ridiculous. Op’s post is extremely vague with zero details or any information that can be used to make an informed decision by anyone reading it...

Yet all the hater trolls jump on the bandwagon and point to it and say “yes exactly, they are evil”

Come on people. This is kindergarten level stuff

I totally agree with the OP. This company promotes bad behavior. In fact, they encourage it. You file a case and they position more direct reports under them to endure the sadistic torture.

Regarding Post ID: @1hrs+18rdFmKk

Classic dismissive response which allowed the accounts scandal to continue for years. Hopefully people like you are on your way out.

Wells has a history of supporting managers even when they make unethical or biased decisions. Retaliation is still a problem. I agree with others to learn detachment while you look for another job. And continue the fight if you can. Your efforts may help others on your team who face the same issue.

@1hrs+18rdFmKk, ok Hitler! Sounds like you may be the mastermind of the narcissists!

Did you even read what this person posted? He put in a complaint and for that was fired. This is not toughen up, this is just illegal.

People need to toughen up. It's called "work" for a reason... it's not supposed to be pleasant and easy all of the time. Got a problem that's making you "suffer"? Then leave. It's really quite simple.

@1byz+18rdFmKk, you are 100% right

I suffered thru the last year or so and became miserable there. I now have just started a new job and love it. I am so glad i finally was able to separate from there.

Sorry to the person who started the thread, that is miserable they would do that to you. I understand how miserable you were and then they set u up to fire you. I am just glad i got out of here without any battle wounds other than the mental torture during my work duration here. It took almost a month to recover but am back to normal. Hope this isnt affecting your options for future work and will take some time to recover too.

Reading these replies affirms my beliefs concerning the reason for my displacement.

Life is too short folks. Don’t get too attached to this place. Regardless of where you work in the bank, there are other places to earn an honest living at companies that place honesty and integrity above all else. I saw that recently interviewing with US Bank. They are very focused on maintaining a stellar reputation.

Keep a smile on your face, look around at other opportunities, and when a decent opportunity comes around with a team you like, leave peacefully and gracefully. Dont fall to the low level this bank has fallen to. Life is too short and not worth it. Keep your personal brand to a higher level. That is your value, dont diminish it.

It will never stop, and believe me its not only one person they do it to but a wide range of people.
Narcissists enjoy hurting other for their own benefit. Pretty sick but just the way these kind of people are. Both management and HR fall into the Narcisst category.

Work here if you like torture, work somewhere else and have a better work place, more money, peace of mind and more rewarding work.

“We want this to be a great place to work where employees are engaged.”

Next day. Layoffs.

This happened last week.

its like a foreign government or terrorists running this place, in hR and are managers.

Once you leave do they keep harassing you or would you now be free from it? Sick people here for sure

@1azg, absolutely correct. They don't care and they are HR and the EthicsLine. Don't bother saying anything to anyone. You will be blacklisted otherwise.

There is karma though. I am finding that out recently. Two managers that should have been fired for unethical, outrageous behavior years ago are now laid off. So sad, too bad.

who cares... multiple ethics/ER complaints against my manager... Their prize? getting to retire on their on on their terms...

Raise your hand - and get it chopped off. Don’t even think about it. Raise your hand is a slogan contrived to make it look like they care about doing the right thing. Anybody who tries it will find out the hard way.

I once went to the supply room and took 2 pens when I only needed 1

Maybe you should mind your own business nosy clown

I think this policy should be followed: "see something, say something"

like they promoted during terrorist risks

Raise your hand!

I faced unethical behavior too, I should have done more and reported it. But I already had another job offer so took easy way out and left.

Now more people behind me or even during that time will/or are facing it too.

Amen. Wells retaliates against whistleblowers.

@ OP - May I ask what you reported? They are the epitome of unprofessional.