Thread regarding Humana Inc. layoffs

Why don’t we unionize or go on Strike?

Creating a union for Humana employees

  1. Organizing Committee: Form an organizing committee with colleagues who share a common interest in improving workplace conditions. This group will lead the effort, strategize, and communicate with the rest of the employees.
  1. Research: Understand the legal requirements for union formation in your jurisdiction. In the United States, for example, the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) oversees union elections and certifies unions. Laws vary by country and sometimes by state or province.
  1. Employee Support: Gauge support among other employees. This usually involves discreetly discussing the idea of unionizing, understanding their concerns, and assessing whether there's enough interest to move forward. Support from a significant portion of the workforce is crucial.
  1. Choose a Union: Decide if you want to affiliate with an existing union or form an independent one. There are benefits to both approaches. Existing unions offer resources, experience, and a network of support. An independent union might offer more specific focus on your particular needs but requires more effort to establish.
  1. Authorization Cards: If you opt to affiliate with an existing union, the next step often involves collecting authorization cards from employees. These cards indicate that the employees wish to be represented by the union. Typically, if 30% of the potential bargaining unit signs cards, you can petition the NLRB (or relevant authority) for an election.
  1. Election: The regulatory body, like the NLRB, will hold a secret ballot election. If a majority of the voting employees favor the union, the board will certify the union as the employees' representative for collective bargaining.
  1. Negotiations: Once certified, the union will negotiate with the employer on behalf of the employees to create a contract covering wages, benefits, working conditions, and other employment terms. This process can be complex and lengthy, requiring good faith efforts from both sides.
  1. Ratification: The negotiated contract is then presented to the employees for ratification. If approved, it becomes the new standard for employment conditions.

Throughout this process, it's important to stay informed about your rights, particularly regarding employer retaliation. In many countries, it's illegal for an employer to punish or discriminate against employees for union organizing activities. However, the reality can be complex, and seeking advice from a labor lawyer or a recognized union can offer crucial guidance and protection.

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Wow!!! So many of you are truly misinformed about unions. You have no firsthand knowledge of the good that unions do. Big corporations pay millions of dollars each year to fight unions and spread misinformation because in the long run unionization would only harm the big guys…..you know, the shareholders…..help the average Joe. Don’t rule them out!

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Post ID: @6uaq+1rh4LVpH

It’s unfortunate some of you are stuck in the 20th century and have little idea about how unions can benefit employees. Or about how unions can still benefit employees in right to work states.

We’re talking about professional unions. They work. Unions for auto workers and others, like UPS, work, too. The research shows it. Look it up.

But some of you are stuck. Or maybe you’re fearful. And that’s what companies like Humana want. They want you to accept what they hand out.

Unless you’re willing to do something different…you’re going to stay stuck, a cog in the corporate machine no matter where you go. You won’t have a voice—other than a meaningless pulse or associate engagement survey.

This is why I have a lot of hope of younger generations. They’re not stuck. They’re willing to take risks. They understand they have to do something different to get a different outcome.

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Post ID: @2txw+1rh4LVpH

If Humana is going a different direction and is closing down teams, no union is going to be able to force a company to keep those employees, and, truthfully, there may not be room for them all in other areas….the severance Humana gives is better than average….collective bargaining doesn’t work in a right to work environment. And you think your team going on strike is going to make a dent in what happens in the big picture? Can you afford to go on strike and lose pto, or not get paid at all, and basically prove you aren’t needed, and other teams can pick up your work? I’m very pro union, in the right circumstances. These are not the right circumstances

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Post ID: @1qpr+1rh4LVpH

@1hip+1rh4LVpH A red herring? Is that what the current employees will be eating in Pennsylvania after this merger goes through? Collective bargaining didn't work at Ford or GM. Or maybe it did... The unions agreed to kicking the can down the road so much 'negotiating' improved pensions... In the end the pensions were tied to Ford and GM which both went begging for Government money in the early 2000's. Guess who lost out then... The employees with their worthless pensions.

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Post ID: @1pil+1rh4LVpH

@1hip+1rh4LVpH In fairy land over in Utopia, Unions are great. Made for massive Social changes back in the 20th century. Unions today are focused on politics. There are numerous examples of Unions abusing power to retain employees who don't work. There are School Districts so mired in Union rules that they are unable to fire incompetent teachers. Longshoremen in New York and New Jersey who need to PAY the Union to get a job.

The concept of unions fighting for employees is long dead. Back in the 80s I worked for a company and was forced by the Union to strike because of what was happening at another company, a much larger company. The consequence was that I got laid off and the company which had been caring and considerate of employees closed down.

Also consider this. If Humana was forced to work to union practices the cost of coverage would go up. Humana's market is price sensitive, that price would increase and market share would fall. Yes you may get 'rep' with you on your call with HR but you will be out of a job.

If unions were politically agnostic I could maybe get behind their aims. Since they are politically driven I want no part. As a voter I get 1 vote. I don't need the Union to be sending my money to a political organization which may go against my values. Values which change under different circumstances. All I see with unions is biased support for the same side election after election.

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Post ID: @1nxo+1rh4LVpH

Agree with poster on downsides. Humana has enough politics today. Do not need the added headache of a union leading strikes to bring down Humana's stock price further. Or pushing Humana to pay associates more bringing down budget for much needed modernization and run the business. On paper it sounds great for us but when you cut the company deep financially with pay, job demands or a strike demands you are not helping the situation or long term health of the company. Bottom line is I do not see this helping us much. Would bring even more RIFs to recover costs of being required to keep employees Humana cannot afford to keep or needs. Humana pays associates well in most cases and no public company can guarantee employment. Not sure what problem we are solving with a union. Besides Humana could just increase contractor size greatly. This would reduce much of a union's leverage.

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Post ID: @1qtm+1rh4LVpH

Unions are not the boogeyman.

Want better pay? Want better severance? Want better benefits? Want to have a say in what happens before you’re put on a PIP? Want AIP restored if you’re someone who qualifies for 4% but won’t get that because of benefit changes? Unions could have helped negotiate changes that would have benefitted employees. Now we’re all stuck with the crumbs Humana hands out unless we choose to leave.

Life doesn’t have to be that way.

Separate unions for nurses, IT, call center reps and other hourly workers would give employees leverage. That’s the power of collective bargaining. Unions can help level the playing field.

One more thing. The US Steel/Japanese takeover example someone used is a red herring. Humana has already had brushes with being acquired—and there was no union activity involved. Just corporate greed.

Please don’t be ruled by fear of the union boogeyman. Look at your options. Talk with union reps.

Fight for your rights.

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Post ID: @1hip+1rh4LVpH

The Downsides? Once you Unionize the Union becomes a political monster out to serve themselves and you can STILL lose your job. You will have no more control or influence unless it coincides with the unions politics. Don't agree. Look at US Steel. They followed their political masters at the last election and now those jobs are at risk due to a Japanese takeover.

The strongest action you can take is get serious about leaving the company.

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Post ID: @pbv+1rh4LVpH

What are the downsides?

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Post ID: @qmx+1rh4LVpH

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