Thread regarding AT&T layoffs

@10a+1jqyb1bey

If you got fired, it would be for your poor writing skills as evidenced in your half-dozen or more responses to this post.

@107+1jqyb1bey Many people already accepted that something they were doing was wrong, either they didn’t understand or they rely on their manager or they were doing some extra work and thought it will be taken care. Point is they should have been given a warning by their manager first and if their manager were not satisfied by their activities then any action would have been taken. That is what didn’t happen. There were many people who were started following their manager directions in February and their report was good. But still they were targeted based on January report, that is the reason we are saying it was a trick/silent firing. No empathy to their good hardworking employees.

“ City in darkness, Incompetent King”

Interesting that you would reference a relatively obscure Indian play.

@z9+1jqyb1bey If you are putting in a full days work and not trying to justify hedging your in office hours by using "but the company does worse..." then there are no traps in which to fall.

Those are the type of people who get stopped for speeding and say, "but other people were going faster." That does not negate, justify, or pardon your own actions. Does it su-k that you were the chosen one? Yes. Does it change the fact that you were doing something wrong? No.

Here people are justifying wrong deeds of AT&T, your time is not away, you will also fall in these traps and then you will realize what was right and what was wrong.
“ City in darkness, Incompetent King”
Such people only collapse the system nothing else. So, stop telling what Legg or John said.

WTH orgs are these people who are getting fired for noncompliance? We all got an email from Jeremy Legg for all of ATS back in December that outlined exactly when we were to be in office full time, with only a few exceptions. As much as I hated it, and I wasn't due to report to my hub yet, I still put in a full day for the 3-days required.

A bunch of people thought they'd play and say, I WFH Mon-Wed and took T-F off. Nope. Any days off reduced WFH days, not in-office days. So if you were out sick 4 days, you were expected to be in office the 5th.

Again, people showing up to the office and staying only 3-4 hours made themselves targets.

We are not justifying what happened was right or wrong. We are trying to say whoever did full time from anywhere and if there supervisor was aware, were clueless about time requirements in office. We are not talking about whoever were not honest in their work and their supervisor also didn’t know what they are doing all day.
HR should have listened to their supervisors before making any decision.
Things already happened, there is no point of discussion. So we are saying it was silent firing, otherwise good resources could have been protected in agreement with their managers.If they would have repeated it then any action would have been justified.

Y'all are so naive.

I guarantee you that the people who've been terminated for noncompliance weren't doing anywhere close to fulltime/full days in person. And if you didn't make sure you were doing full days in person (be it 3 or 5), then you just made yourself a sitting duck.

Company doesn't play fair, but no reason to have given them any whiff of cause.

Y'all are so naive.

"They just got tired of people not doing the more lenient things they offered, so they kept tightening to noose."

What some one trying to justify what AT&T did is good but not accepting that they did take decision in hurry to just fire employees because later they won’t get chance to do it.
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Already was in news and every one was aware about desk problems in January. There was no point using January report basis to fire their employees.
There were local news paper published police interferences due to these issues between employees.
So every one knows what was chaos in January. It was best month to use report and target fire, thats what happened.

“Any good company first talk to their employees and ask them to do whatever is required.”
No company should have to talk to full-time managers about the absolute minimum work week requirement being 40 hours.

January report was showing many people wrong details. And if it was not wrong then why it was not discussed with employees. To create an evidence wrong report was sent to supervisor and supervisors were asked to respond. Reports and evidences were never discussed with employees, supervisor only responded and God knows what they responded, because if they would have justified any case positively then don’t think HR can do anything.Main thing is they were looking for silent firing that is the reason they never communicated 8 hours in office. If someone less than 3 hours is wrong then any one sitting 6-7 hours are equally wrong. No one justifies right
Either 5*8 or defaulter, but in that case it will become mass firing.
Any good company first talk to their employees and ask them to do whatever is required. If someone not follows then it makes sense.Justifying company wrong deeds is not good. We need to accept it was done wrong and shows poor employee treatment.

“January report was broken.”

The report is not so broken that it cannot identify coffee badgers and those working less than 5x4.

January report was broken. HR said they did all investigations, but employees were clueless because they didn’t show evidences to anyone. There might be few people just doing coffee badging but they make it common for everyone without doing proper investigation , discussing with employees and giving them a proper message what they are required to do to prevent it. Their clear intention was to just find fault to fire their employees to save some money.

It look like some miscommunication, not sure when it was mentioned 8 hours, otherwise no one wants to play with their job. Did HR personally take an attempt to talk to the ones who were sort or less than 3 hours? I think no one put an effort, in Feb it was asked after report published to spend most of the time in office and Like John said, I believe people started doing 4-6 hours office works and most employees were doing. I think at least it was not fair for those locations where it was suppose to be 5 days from May. Many people confused that hours restrictions will be from May as building was overcrowded and under construction.People were not getting seat.Whatever has happened for at least those locations was not fair. Management knew that those buildings have space issues. Even CTO said there will be no one to one seat. Management knew building work is going on. They should have waited for May report.If any one still not following then some action would have made some sense. Treating your employees badly will give wrong message in outer world. Many companies implemented RTO, their employees were also sort in office hours, but their HR system and supervisors are good, they get correct reports and they time by time talk to their employees and let them know to keep it correcting. Every ine know AT&T attendance report of January was faulty but still they used to take harsh action. It sets bad example for AT&T.

We was told we was safe

We were all told last fall that everyone with FTO designation would be expected to be working in office, 5 days a week by the timelines adjusted for certain locations and levels. Full-time does not mean just showing up a few hours each day. It means full-time. All of the articles written in December mentioned 8-hrs, 5-days a week.

Then Stankey blew up in a January(?) townhall that a great number of people were averaging about 3 hours a day in office. That's not full-time, in office, 5-days, now is it? Even if you were still 3 days a week, 3 hours isn't a full day in the office, now is it?

They just got tired of people not doing the more lenient things they offered, so they kept tightening to noose. We could have stayed the 3-days that just about everyone was back to last summer, but people weren't doing anywhere close to 24 hours in office. If the noose finally strangled some, they weren't paying attention.

People worked 40+ hours its true, but as they were not informed or given an information from HR or Supervisor to work 8 hours from office, and had less than 3 hours presence in office, there presence report was broken, were terminated without thinking about giving them a warning. AT&T must be going in some serious problem in leadership which is not giving them a good vision on how to retain good resources, instead they are doing anything in name for code of conduct. Because I have never heard any organization not giving a fair chance to their good performing resources, good organizations always try to retain them by any means. What is making them to take such decision really don't look good. May be AT&T is in some serious trouble inside which no one knows.

“Anyways many good and hard working people got impacted without giving them a chance.”
These were users on payroll not even putting in 4 hours a day to meet half of the stated requirement. These were not good and certainly not hard working people. They can now stay home permamently.

@g3+1jqyb1bey - that’s jive-talking bafoonery.

This is correct news. No one said that 8 hours required to be in office. Someone was feeling good doing 4 hours and there might be a lot, so HR didn’t take an effort to give warning and ask to sit 8 hours, there were many good employees who also lost their job, as they thought they are doing it in the agreement of their supervisor, but when time came, HR didn’t listen to supervisor or supervisor didn’t defend properly. Anyways many good and hard working people got impacted without giving them a chance. Now its widely spread inside company, so its kind of warning to all those saved. But people who lost their job are poor one because they just become example and that happened only because HR didn’t address work timing hours properly. Many people from Texas and Georgia was under impression that 8 hours is getting implemented from 1st May, as their workplace was over crowded and their were no desk and seat to sit as building was going under renovations to accommodate more seat.
But not sure why HR was in so hurry to terminate them.

Good management technique to find the violator , leak the information , and make an example out of him to scare everyone else into compliance. Kind of like a public hanging.

yeah the "hourly report" for January employees was not made available to managers until mid February.. nice to be kept in the loop.

I assure you, anyone getting fired is not getting fired for working 40+ hours a week in the wrong place. They are getting fired for not working at all or some other COBC violation. The rumors that it is due to the presence report are a little too convenient for the C-suite for me to believe. After all, they can't be sued for a rumor, only what they actually did. The rumor serves to effectively manipulate the behavior of the sheep so it gets amplified.

“ Do I doubt someone was fired? No Do I doubt they had zero warning? Yes!

If they're lying about complying, why would they tell the truth about being warned?”

EMAIL #1- Supervisor and the employee in question received a communication from HR stating their actions are being investigated.

EMAIL #2- (to supervisor only) that a decision has been made by HR. Decision is final and employee will be marked “unrehireable”.

Communicate with employee and collect assets by X-date.

That is the exact amount of warning that the employees received.

Come in and do your hours, it’s that simple. Yes it’s d-mb 5x per week. I don’t have much sympathy for people trying to skirt the rules. I would empathize with someone who got fired due to the faulty presence report or if the average was just barely under the 8 or something like that.

Do I doubt someone was fired? No Do I doubt they had zero warning? Yes!

If they're lying about complying, why would they tell the truth about being warned?

“Remember, we mean nothing to the company, treat your job as a means to earn income, don’t over commit and give your life to them.”

Don’t try to justify noncompliance with RTO. Managers are expected to work full time hours.

I won’t provide any specific names, but the listing of managers in the Markus org are legit.

So many nameless someones! And yet all the zero compliance RTO people I know are still employed and going nowhere. This ghost story scare tactic stuff is comical, HR.

At least the employee will get to spend a lot more time at home if that is what was really wanted.

It is true. Someone was fired from my team after being investigated by HR due to not following the RTO guidelines. Fired on Monday March 24 after being investigated. He was given 15 minutes to pack up and turn in his badge.

Good riddance!

True story, know someone in Atlanta let go for Jan hours average less than 3. I don’t know if this person ONLY worked less than 3 hrs or if they WFH 5 hrs and in the office for 3. I don’t think they factor in WFH hrs when HR fires you. He was escorted out by security, no warning.

“ We don't believe you. HR shills can fire off org and city locations all day. Until you name the person that was fired, it is all BS, sorry.”

The great part is we don’t NEED you to believe us.

To us, you are just another future open seat or parking space.

We don't believe you. HR shills can fire off org and city locations all day. Until you name the person that was fired, it is all BS, sorry.

This is totally unfair. This employee deserved at least three warnings before being let go. Every employee has the right to be treated fairly. Not giving warnings is a total abuse of worker rights.

I hope when it's my turn to take a stand for something, I don't fall for anything.

“Atlanta , Andy Markus team”

Fired for not enough hours in Jan, saying COBC violations.