I see a lot of posts that disparage students knowledge, laziness, and submitted assignments. Is CCI to blame for this or the instructors? Could it be the High School that graduated them is to blame? Maybe it is the student that is to blame. After all what can CCI or an istructor do to force them to come and do the work? If the graduation rates are true, which the DOE HAS NOT SAID OTHERWISE, and the job placement stats are true, which the DOE HAS NOT SAID OTHERWISE, then what has CCI done illegal? Marketing is full of deceptive ads for weight loss to body building. How many spam e-mails do you get for your penis size? Can someone please, please tell me what CCI did that was illegal?
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Changing attendance to avoid student drops, changing F grades to passing to avoid SAP dismissals are illegal activities occurring at CCI. Keep attrition down at all costs!
CCI specifically targets these type of students. This level of illiteracy is not present at other legitimate school in such great numbers because CCI's recruiting practices seeks out students who will sign a loan agreement without knowing what they are getting themselves in for. Their core customer is these students who are not college material. So yes it is the schools fault.
CCI lied about their placement rates and apparently commits fraud on a regular basis in their reporting of student data. Attendance, grades, job numbers, etc. are regularly falsified. Prospective students are lied to on a constant basis. If you don't believe CCI has committed any crimes you haven't been paying attention.
32 replies but no one has shown anything illegal was done and that was my point. Anonymous 17252 is right about the student complaints but was anything done illegal?
Litigation Ho - Morality and legality are two separate concepts. I am morally against abortion but I can't take someone to court because it is legal. Like my penis pill analogy, Can I really sue because they promised me bigger girth or is the "results may vary" leave them in the clear? Sure they took my money but maybe I should have done more research
Ham radio. Ha! Love it!!!
Ohhh, I LOVE riddles!!! But, ummm, Guy in IT, do you, like, have access to the internet? Or do you ham radio in your all your posts. Because there are actually some really good articles from reputable sources that might help you resolve your "riddle". Or you could go to the library. They are nice there. The internet is kind of old school.
Breaking Bad? Well Jessie learned in high school Chemistry not pharmacy. And anyway I know it is a lofty concept but what about doing the greater good and not blaming the victims. This is why the AG had to step in cause of student complaints. Hundreds of testimonials. But I totally loved Breaking Bad too! Can't wait to watch "Better Call Saul" Am I right?
guy in IT. I'm glad you are getting your pills just fine. No you can't legislate morals but does that mean you shouldn't have them? Like Gordon Gecko said "greed is good?" What about if a company had the ethical motto of saying "do no harm"? Google is doing pretty good. If you want to start a crappy sham company then maybe just don't cause that run can't last forever. Cci will go down in history with Enron, Countrywide etc. Let it go, let it go.
Anonymous17240 - Who morals are you holding others to? You cannot legislate morals. ATB may have been created with the best intentions but if a company takes advantage of it that is not illegal. Some people see it as the strong preying on the weak but others can justify it by saying I was only doing what the law allows.
Anonymous17230 - I get my pills from the VA at the taxpayers expense but thanks for asking. It is generic form of Viagra but it works nonetheless.
Anonymous17252 - Wouldn't that get weeded out when they tried to get licensed. Humor me here but what if they watched breaking bad or wanted to cook meth but needed the knowledge. You it also be for fraudulent reasons they wanted it.
If a real trade were earned for a reasonable cost yes, but having felons enroll in pharmacy programs? Beyond sketchy.
Whose morals or standards are you utilizing? If administered correctly, the student should have been required to get their GED prior to graduating from the program, there would have been more invested resources into tutoring. A student ends up with a trade diploma and a GED...sounds like a bad idea for the human race.
Johnny Boy: The ABD program was a disgrace to those that actually go back to get their high school diploma or study to pass their GED. Why put in that effort if you can bypass it altogether with a simple test? It was not right in the moral sense.
And like the mortgage fraud debacle which caused an economic collapse in 2008, just because something is not illegal it can be morally wrong. Like enroll ing kids from Mexico and other countries who don't have English skills. I saw PLENTY of that.
How much did you pay for the penis enhancement pills? $19.95? Right. Not 40 grand. Beside the pills probably offer a money back guarantee. It's the scope of what they perpetrated as well as the victimization of veterans and learning disabled, mentally I'll etc.
Absolutely nothing wrong with the ATB model if it was managed correctly, too bad it wasn't.
Not everyone is cut out for college. Damn! F'd up business model. Why do you think they are on Jerry Springer?
Anonymous17212 Was it Congress that made the eligibility requirements or CCI? Maybe it was Congress' fault for passing ATB?
The idea is to have some STANDARDS for admitting students to an institution of higher learning. Cci is a "y'all come" and bring your money place. Just like the Toddler Beauty pageant, it is false if you pay to get in. See also: scam, bamboozle, snake oil, PT Barnum. This is what Cci did wrong. They opened a college when they had no business doing so. Remember when Jethro Bodine went to private school? It was a joke.
IT guy is our latest legal expert AND very good construction man (excellent with hammer!)
http://www.thelayoff.com/corinthian-colleges/post/5101354150264832
I have a feeling that you (A guy in IT) are insignificant enough to not get called in to give a statement to the SEC or the AG's office. Some of us were not so lucky, sometimes 8 hours at a time. It's not surprising the damning things that they already knew before some of us had to walk in and talk to those lawyers.
All this ATB stuff is covered in the Federal Register I posted here.
Maybe the ATB program was not illegal, but what did this basic test consist of? Can you speak and spell your name? Oh goody...you immediately pass "go". No need to complete high school or study for your GED. You get to go to COLLEGE!
"The Ability to Benefit program allows students without a high school diploma or GED certificate to take a test of basic skills to get into college and collect federal loans and grants to pay for it." from http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_14209838
Now a little testimony at a suit makes one a legal expert. I love this place.
I agree with you Faculty but that doesn't mean CCI did anything illegally and Congress did remove the ATB requirement.
Anonymous17198 please enlighten me as to what was done illegally. I am pretty sure I know the laws seeing I have had to testify in insider trading and data breach law suits related to PCI compliance.
Not all of the students are high school or GED graduates. For some time, I remember they had something called "Ability to Benefit" students, which would require neither a diploma or GED. To my understanding, all they would need is someone in admissions thinking they could benefit from school. In which case, CCI saw it as an ability to benefit financially as well.
Guy in IT- Possibly a few years of legal training would help you understand. Law does not work like IT.
So far none of you have shown anything illegal was done. I never said what they have done dumb or wrong, just tell me what was done illegally. Can anyone answer that.
Nothing - we market so that our target demographic population can understand us!!!
"Marketing is full of deceptive ads for weight loss to body building." Oh, well, in that case, everything CCi does is legal.
What has CCI done wrong? Most everything. As for your "dumb" students, that is also a wrong of CCI. Let me put this so you and/or a high school kid can understand. The entrance exams are so low, that people with a 3rd, 4th, and 5th grade education can gain entrance. If you don't think this is true, I have a bridge for sale.
It's always admissions fault, if there are not enough enrollments. It's the instructors fault if a student does not graduate. And it's career services fault if the student does not get documented as placed.