I see a lot of attack on Admissions. The Admissions Representatives I work with actually believe in what we do. IDK if this is because for years we were treated better than other departments and paid better as well but some of you need to read a course catalog. As a Rep, I present placement information as reported by Career Services. I do not lie or embellish the numbers, I show them what is in black and white. I tell students how much the program costs but I am not privy to the specifics on how they are going to pay for school- they spend 2-3 hours total with Student Finance who breaks things down for them and gives them a variety of options. I follow the law on enrolling students and am not there to qualify or disqualify. People with disabilities are protected under the law and it is up to the DEAN to step in and deny admission. My job is to verify HS/GED, arrange for testing and hand them off to SF. I answer the phone when Campus Support transfers the call. I ask for referrals from my students. I set the expectation that EVEREST COLLEGE IS SCHOOL. THERE IS REAL WORK INVOLVED AND THAT THERE IS NO MAGIC WAND THAT WILL EITHER GIVE THEM THE KNOWLEDGE AND SKILL OR GET THEM HIRED. Everyone blames admissions. We are just a piece of the puzzle, selling what CCI said it could deliver on. I am NOT an Admissions Counselor or Advisor BTW. I am an Admissions Representative.
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I bet you want ED to pay too. You know, the instructors need copy paper. Who cares how many regulations we violated.
The regulations don't say, "If the instructors need paper,..."
Again, I'm looking at the size of your eyes. Now read the regulations so you actually know what's going on.
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The reverse counting against admissions just means it has to be made up to hit budget. IE if enrollment goal for July is 100 buy they have 4 reverses from June...the goal is really 104 to be even. Do you work in a school or just read random regulations. If admissions as a whole can't make budget, instructors don't get copy paper, students don't get student appreciation and eventually whole companies bicker back in forth because they may not get paid.
Hopefully you'll read all 145 pages, most of which are three column.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2010-10-29/pdf/2010-26531.pdf
Again, READ THE FEDERAL REGISTER.
13027 you all speak about all of the wrongs you've witnessed. You all even KNOW what happened to my coworker regarding enticement (even tho he had the best of intentions...honestly just trying to help a guy he connected with on the phone) yet somehow all this happened on your watch while you collected a check. I'm sorry if I have not seen the things you all speak of. Maybe some campuses or regions truly were trying to do right by the student. Anyway I'm still waiting to be schooled other than that I'm enjoying a night on the town with my family.
You are suggesting these things "count," when it's strictly prohibited to evaluate employees that way. 34 CFR 668.14(b)(22)- No reverse can be used in evaluating performance, so it cannot "count against admissions." Also drops cannot be used as part of performance evaluations (ibid). As long as it is not with respect to enrollments, or continuing in a program, or doesn't deal with compensation, it can "count against or for" someone. Read the Federal Register I posted.
13030...I'm sorry I'm missing the part that contradicts what i said about reverse vs drop. Or admission being accountable vs the dean. And NO His numbers where fine. But my DOA had zero tolerance. Anyway break it on down for lil me...I'll wait.
We will probably never hear from our compliance expert "I know how to violate" that didn't cite the regulations.
"I know compliance and some of you all have turned a blind eye apparently." NOPE. We are looking at the size of your eyes.
" Case in point prospect was looking for a job...rep knew a hiring manager and asked prospect to bring a resume when he came. ENTICEMENT. Gone!" Likely it had nothing to do with ENTICEMENT, but rather, not enough enrollments, so instead of discussing numbers, it was called "ENTICEMENT." And you wonder why there are so many problems?
PROHIBITED UNDER CURRENT REGULATIONS (34 CFR 668.14(b)(22)): "A drop in the 1st 3 days to 2 weeks depending on reason is a REVERSE and counts against admissions not the Dean."
Putting the wolf in costume is what the problem is. We all know that there is plenty of problems at CCi. It's just a question of whether or not the costume is good enough. "You didn't make our fictional goals," quickly becomes "You didn't smile correctly." "But we grade the admission's representatives smile with total integrity." "We are an honest company, never mind the size of our eyes."
I have not referenced start numbers or any other numbers. I know compliance and some of you all have turned a blind eye apparently.
BTW you should have called the hotline if you witnessed anyone saying that credits were transferable. In my state lies like that are cause for having their license revoked and you are guilty by association. I've worked with professionals. I've had DOAs who would fire you on the spot for that. Case in point prospect was looking for a job...rep knew a hiring manager and asked prospect to bring a resume when he came. ENTICEMENT. Gone!
If you know the regulations, why would you suggest that enrollment numbers, start numbers, any number related to continuing in a program counts for anything other than lip service. We all know that regulations prohibit the company from acting on these things. Oh, that's right, the wolf is in costume...
I don't know why anyone would work in a professional environment where club dress was allowed let alone invest in your education there. You people sound like you were fine as long as checks came on time. Now you have a problem with what was OK before.
- The test provides clues as to whether a student needs assistance. 2. A drop in the 1st 3 days to 2 weeks depending on reason is a REVERSE and counts against admissions not the Dean. 3 a drop in the first 30 days is also on admissions not the dean. Don't play with me like I don't know this biz. I do at at my campus we act with integrity and within compliance.
Answer this question... If Admissions were there only to do their job and give information, and they were not dishonest then why did they dress up everyday like they were going to the club? Every campus had a whole bunch of dumb, hot chicks with there breast hanging out and strip club heels on. Its funny when they say that they were the most honest people. I seen some of them take off their wedding rings during work because it helped them get enrollments. Come on admissions are the #2 crooks, right under the upper management. they used to tell students that their credit would transfer to big universities. Hey ladies the strip clubs are hiring! Go get your money.
NOT LEGAL: "A candidate that does not make it as a student is considered a drop, lowering the retention numbers by which the dean's job performance is evaluated."
Someone suggested that a dean is to stop admissions if the candidate is not qualified (has disabilities?). As someone who worked at cci for 4 years, and left (yeah!) I will suggest that deans are not allowed to mingle in the admissions process. Full stop. A candidate that does not make it as a student is considered a drop, lowering the retention numbers by which the dean's job performance is evaluated.
I have been reading this site for over a year. I am in Admissions and I also agree with the person that posted the original post. Yes we were hired to enroll students, and "change lives," based on a skill set. We don't have the same skill set that FA does, or maybe academics, but as far as I can see the "predators" at my campus were weeded out years ago. Yes, I can "encourage" a student to make a change to leave her dead beat spouse/job and get a better life for she and her children. Many times I am the only one that has ever given them a shred of hope in their lives. To the ill mannered naysayers on this site, you have no idea the stories and conditions that many of these people come with to our offices. I have been doing this successfully for many years. I have seen comments about over paid Admissons reps. Those "naysayers" have no idea how business is run. You reward the people that bring in revenue......so that you are even able to have a job!!!!! Your skill set does not allow for that type of thinking I'm afraid. I also saw the writing on the wall last year when Leon Panetta resigned after 5 weeks. I have been actively trying to leave for a year. My resume is tainted because of Everest because I would leave tomorrow, but I also have children to feed, and am a care giver to a sibling. So there! Instead of this infighting amongst us that are still here and trying to do our jobs, start looking for another one. Yes, buy that car, get your doctor's offices visits out of the way. Why? Because even if Everst "pulls out of this," the folks in Career Services are doomed. While our students don't fit a demographic that reads the news.....the employers do. I had 3 people call me today to see that my company had made the Wall Street Journal, and various other publications. Get real people. No one is going to hire our students under this name. Our company is playing politics with the government. They WON'T produce the documents because we will surely close" if we do. My hope is that JACK and the gang get outed in like a Bernie Madoff or an Enron scandal. By the way...the money trail is going to lobbyists that have gotten us this far and of course the scum that are our leadership team. Let's move forward and not get sucked into this negative energy and blame game. The people that are left, are good people for the most part...many of them are new and don't know any better. The government is going to make an example out of us and there will be others to follow. I worked for another well known "brand" too. The gig's up people. What are you going to do? Bottom line....our students will not get hired after this.
"It is clear to my students these are terminal in nature." Yes, financial death for sure.
Regional vs national accreditation is of little consequence when talking trades and allied health. It is clear to my students these are terminal in nature. I choose not to focus on the 1 degree our campus offers...and BTW I have grads with better job outlooks than many of us. Today I spoke with a student hired at the VA, another in Maintanence for The Hyatt and another starting with Halliburton on 6/30. Soooooo... I'm good with that.
Yeppers, the con artists masquerading as admissions "counselors" are all at fault. They are deluding themselves if they think anything they did was honest.
Yes, it is the same scam. National accreditation is a joke and to tell students that an Everest education has value is a lie.
No its not the same scam. I disagree. Don't compare me to someone who lied for a number because I do not and have not.
"You benefitted from the apparent misfortune of others." Likely true. Like many students now realize, it was a poor choice to associate with Everest.
12970 actually I am enrolling to become a respiratory therapist at a school like Everest. Knowing all that I know I am still willing to gamble on my hard work and effort. I'm tired of a position where all the hard work in the world can be unappreciated. I'm tired of depending on others to follow through on their end. I just want to show up and get the job done. BTW were you employed by Everest? If so, what makes you above the judgment you pass on others. You benefitted from the apparent misfortune of others. Right?
You missed the point, sport. The pattern of misconduct has been ongoing for two decades. If you worked in sales for CCi, you are a crook. Back then, today, it's the same scam.
Anonymous12949 - I hope you do believe that you are a good person. Good luck trying to find a job that pays the same. You guys are predators. You should look for a job at the local cash call or be a used car salesman.
What do you mean I got your daughter pregnant? I thought she was a perfect angel.
Good for you! Everyone I know at Everest is honorable. It's a big place. I'm sure there are some bad apples, but I've only known ethical, hard-working ones.
lol @ 1990's
I don't know what's going on here, but it sure seems exciting.
12957 Really? I was 12 in 1990...I can't tell you what they did when admissions was "Wild Wild West" there are regulations in the "modern era". geeze they did not have warnings on a pack of smokes back then either! Ok moving forward lets be clear about what and who we are attacking. I can only defend my license and my integrity and things as they are today. 1990?
HAHAHAHAHAHA That's a good one!!!!