People staying beyond their welcome

"They have a people staying/hiding out beyond their welcome problem."

Yes, this is true. What happens is acquisitions are made. Then all the best people leave when they start to understand what it's like to work at Oracle. Some flee before they even get started at Oracle, just because it's a large old monolithic institution and they don't want to work in that.

The people that are left fall into 2 categories:

reasonably competent people who don't want to leave because of some reason... don't enjoy interviewing... are close to retirement... have issues with family they have to deal with... have medical issues and find it easier to stay... are working from home and don't want to change that if they don't have to.... etc.
totally incompetent people who literally cannot find another job. They somehow lucked into the job they got in the acquisition company and they absolutely are not going to look elsewhere at any time in any way. This group forms the core of the most dishonest management at Oracle. They find it easier to band together, make up lies about other employees, cheat their way through in any way they can. These are the scumbags who take credit for things they never did, with the help of other incompetent scumbags who are as desperate as they are.

I admit, I was in the first group and have since retired. People in the first group are often worth keeping. I think I was worth keeping, but was harassed by the people in the second group until I left.

When layoffs occur, I have not seen anyone in the second group ever impacted. It's always the reasonably competent people in the first group that get laid off. It's not based on knowledge or technical skill. It's just that the people in the second group have become the majority of the people in charge of deciding who gets laid off. If they feel threatened by someone, that person gets laid off.

It appears to me that even those people who know too much about the wrong things can be targeted for layoffs.

The process is in no way fair or correct for the long-term health of the company. The incompetent are in charge and there is no way to change that. They support each other and are not interested in the health of the company beyond their immediate job. They would sell out their "friends" in a heartbeat if they had to to protect their own job. They are intensely desperate and they are everywhere in the company. They are not going anywhere and yes, they have stayed beyond their welcome, but it does not matter.

If you know what you are doing, you are good and competent at your job, the weight of these types of people on the company will eventually drag it all under, regardless of anything you do to try and prevent it. It is over at Oracle. The acquisition process has acquired and kept the wrong people time after time and year after year. The accumulation is beyond repair and the company will go down the tubes. Just a matter of LE running out of his money to prop up the stock. Oracle is overwith for anyone who cares about their job or was interested in doing real work.

If you are a competent person, you are in the wrong place. Get your skills updated, update your resume and then get out. It's only going to get worse from here.

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@ZvuCA31-2bwg

It's not random people who are voting here. It's people who currently work at or used to work at Oracle. These are the people who know what the truth is. Their votes count.

Yes, cat 2 people are good in the B.S. category. They can get a job, but maybe they know they won't be able to get away with keeping it like they can at Oracle. Oracle never throws these people out.

It's what needs to happen, but, from what I see, a lot of the management falls in cat 2. BS-ers are good at s---ing up and pretending to be faithful to the managers above them. Sometimes sabotaging them at the same time.

Category 1: They might be good and have their own reasons to be still hanging around. But once Category 2 people outnumber, Cat 1 people will either have to do lot of work covering cat 2's or cat 2's will see cat1's as thread and do silly politics to throw them out of door.

By the way what I found is cat 2 people are good at giving interviews but not the work. So it wont be any problem for them. Cat1s will suffer at the end

"+16, gotta be some truth here"

LOL. Sure. let's base the veracity of things on internet +points.

+16, gotta be some truth here

CTO won't go. What a great man.

As the people in group 1 leave, a lot have left on their own, the people in group 2 move up and fill the gaps.

It's only going to get worse. There is no way anything will recover. The smart people have left or are leaving.

Depends on a group too... some groups are thriving, many are not...

I like my group, boss, work, the comp is ok.... I hate the corp leadership and how they handle things on a global level, but my micro-universe is fine... for now....

This is a lot of self-serving tripe.

"people stay because they are making sacrifices.."

"i was awesome but the bad people pushed me out"

"only the good get laid off"

"leave cause the end is near"

Jeeze louise.

Used to be that when you retired, your health coverage degraded because you would be moving into Medicare. Now with HD plans everywhere, Medicare is an UPGRADE.

@ZvuCA31-ujm

Thanks I do appreciate you kind words it served my purposes when I needed them. While the place was toxic in so many ways, it wasn't all bad. I have no regrets whatsoever. I am grateful for that. At the time the bennies were more important. I could have left many times but stayed for that reason. No regrets. It all worked out.

@ZvuCA31-ozk

Don't I know it. that's why I stuck it out for as long as I did. Getting another job wasn't a problem for me but the benefits were a c-apshoot. I knew what I had and thankfully everything worked out.

So I put up with all the BS because between all the hospital stays and doctor's visits I paid next to nothing and i know It would not have been the case almost anywhere else.

At most other employers you get a plan with a $5000 deductible. Only useful if you're having pricey surgery/hospitalization, otherwise it's like being uninsured, because you'll pay for everything (except your annual checkup) out of pocket.

When layoffs occur, I have not seen anyone in the second group ever impacted.

I've seen my share of managers get the ax.

@fjy that’s so sad. Condolences.

Tying employment to health insurance is long past it’s freshness date. Time to demand a better system in the US. We are a laughing stock because of this and other cruel omissions like no paid family leave.

This is great post. And the most accurate depiction of the people at Oracle. For me, my wife had serious medical issues and at the time (I don't if it is still the case) The medical benefits were probably some of hte best anywhere. So I put up with all the BS because between all the hospital stays and doctor's visits I paid next to nothing and i know It would not have been the case almost anywhere else. So despite the toxic environment and lack of a financial incentive, I still came out ahead. and She was able to get the best care possible without us losing everything. She's gone now and I left Oracle, but I wouldn't change a thing for that reason alone.

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