Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

"If you think these people are the ones getting laid off, you need to guess again."

You are moving the goal post. The context is being in-site is worst than being out-of-site.

And, stop putting words in my mouth. I know that the laid-off are one or more of the below:

irritant

unneeded

low-performer

The employee s/he sees coming in the office at 11: in his/her site.

The employee who takes 2 hour lunches: in his/her site

The employee who calls in sick often: in his/her site.

The employee sitting in the office who hasn't responded to an email from 3 hours ago: in his/her site

The employee that doesn't join in group lunches: in his/her site

In my experience, the employees that go in to work and act like this are manager's yes-men/thugs. They do sh--ty things to other people in the group or in other groups at the manager's "suggestions" (nothing is ever said directly, it's all hints).

They will NOT be laid off, because they know they can behave like this and manager will reward them for their lies and commitment to the manager's ego. If you think these people are the ones getting laid off, you need to guess again.

"you are out-of-site and out-of-mind."

you actually inadvertently highlighted an advantage, not a disadvantage.

The employee s/he sees coming in the office at 11: in his/her site.

The employee who takes 2 hour lunches: in his/her site

The employee who calls in sick often: in his/her site.

The employee sitting in the office who hasn't responded to an email from 3 hours ago: in his/her site

The employee that doesn't join in group lunches: in his/her site

The list goes on and on.

But, hey, if thinking you got laid off because you worked remotely helps you get thru the day ...

OP is right that if you work from home, you are out-of-site and out-of-mind. If the manager has to layoff a certain number of people, you are probably more likely to get picked. Manager has no real attachment to you, and you can't go into the office and harass other people for him, like his thugs/yes-men can.

So, you probably are at a disadvantage. That said, it is not a night-and-day sort of thing. If you work from home and do something really useful for the management, then you are probably not at risk just because you work from home. So, I would say, there are disadvantages, but they are not overwhelming.

I worked from home for a long time, nobody cared that I was cheaper in terms of not taking up office space, etc. Managers who are making that decision, don't care about that.

"work from homers have a higher RIF rate"

You know who has an astronomical RIF rate?

Low performers, irritants, the unneeded

It makes no sense. Look, working from home has nothing to do with you being laid-off. Come to terms with it.

Aside from your whole group being removed, it's the usual suspects when layoffs happen: unneeded, irritant, or low performer.

" So, they are essentially freebies"

From a cost-saving standpoint (which many of you cite), the WFH is cheaper since there is no office space and amenities allotted.

As for triggering WARN, once it's done ( > 50 employees in location), it doesn't matter anymore. So the logical conclusion is WFH shouldn't be targeted once WARN is triggered?

There have been postings saying that people who permanently work from home, who don't have an office in an Oracle building, are targets for layoffs because they do not count towards WARN count. So, they are essentially freebies as far as layoffs go.

This makes no sense - most managers have people who work out of other call centers so they never see 90% of their reports anyway. What does work from home have to do with anything?

Does the OP even WORK at Oracle?

It makes sense that Oracle focuses on products that make the most $$ and eliminates low income ones. Their product listing is a mess.

You get laid off if you work on low income producing products. It’s as simple as that.