I got a copy of the Verizon 2018 Annual Report today. I see Hans is still trying to claim that Verizon released "real" 5G. That's going to really come back and bite Verizon in the butt, when customers realize it's a lie.
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Fricken AlaBAMA! Do them there hicks even know what dial up is? I bet you could throw them a 5g cow pattie and they would pay through the nose for it...
We don’t and won’t have 5G is Alabama for a a long time but even customers here want the 5G mod and would get it if we had 5G service.
Hans should read this article at the next shareholder meeting: https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/288254-report-verizons-fixed-5g-broadband-service-economically-flawed-unsustainable
I have never seen a bigger case of the tail wagging the dog. No one gives a $hit about 5 YEE except the carriers who are starved for growth. The average consumer could care less about this garbage being rammed down their throats.
False. Our 4G cell equipment comes from the same vendors as everyone else. Namely Nokia and Ericsson. There are other vendors, as well, but all the carriers buy nearly identical equipment from the same or similar providers that all must adhere to the 3GPP standards for 4G. If the cell site equipment vendors deviated from the 3GPP standards for 4G just for us, then the phone manufacturers would have to make special Verizon only phones that follows our cell vendor's deviations from the 3GPP standards, which would mean that a Verizon LTE phone could not work on another carriers network.
We do use separate frequencies than the other carriers, but every carrier has a different combination of frequencies than everyone else that varies by geographic location. In the early days of LTE the phones might not have had all of the possible antennas for all of the possible frequencies for every LTE provider in the US, which is one of the reasons older LTE phones might not have worked on other networks. Virtually all phones sold today, however, are designed to handle all the frequencies of all of the carriers LTE networks in the US. This only works if all carriers follow the same base level 3GPP standards for LTE.
This is real 5G with mobility support, operators in South Korea have gone live with 5G as well.
I too was involved with the fake 5G as an SP Engineer of 30 years with Verizon in one of the four city's launched last year. And yes the fake 5G is very fast if you are a block away or less and in line of site of the millimeter antennas. The 5G that is the standard (real 5G, NR ) is out now and will probably be slower than the fake 5G because it involves mobility. I think Verizon has pumped up the stock holders to think this is a real growth changer, The real 5G that is not millimeter wave will not be much faster than 4G. So if Verizon thinks they can get a whole bunch more money out of the consumer for 5G they are wrong, We are tapped out ! Also the millimeter wave antennas which will be beamforming small cell antennas will be by the most part installed and maintained by contractors to work near power lines.
Our second level in construction said they are years away from deploying real 5g. Now this rf engineer is saying it is here. Someone isn’t telling the truth. Only reason to lie would be to pull the wool over the investors eyes. I’ll believe it’s here when I see it.
Verizon just needs to convince a few d--g addicted Wall Street analysts. Sell the 5G story to the NJ teacher pension fund, and laugh all the way to the bank.
The problem is even Verizon employees don't believe Verizon claimed 5G is real 5G. VZ loses credibility.
5G will not be relevant until Apple releases a 5G phone. That is not going to happen in 2019 and doubtful for even 2020. Good luck selling our 5G network with a Motorola add on retrofit. Perception is reality and 5G is not reality until Apple says so. I agree with the technical discussion that what we have launched in Chicago and Minneapolis is true 5G, just not really that big of a deal other than saying we were first. Definitely not going to provide any additional revenue any time soon.
@zey thank you for putting the trollers in their place. And agree, it was enabled and it also works in BR for testing. You will be one of those RF engineers that will be missed. Thanks for educating the forum.
@zey I believe you. Not that you need my validation.
nice explanation @zey. I was reading an article somewhere the other day that Vz doesn't even use the same standard as everyone else for 4G either. Truth? So why would we expect them to for 5G?
@zey - “So, if it isn't 4G, and it goes wayyy faster than 4G, and it uses spectrum that 4G can't use, in ways that 4G can't use. And the body that wrote the 4G standard has been working on this as their 5G standard for three years or so. I dunno, what should we call it?”
4.1G ? :-)
@Yq6WCoB-ibz what area of the business are you from?
Ohhhh, you're that troll who thinks it doesn't count as a standard until ITU blesses it. That's just not true. 3GPP is the body that wrote the 5G standard. They are submitting it to the ITU for the IST-2020 whatever. But the ITU is not writing the 5G standard. And they won't. 3GPP already did, in fact Release 15 was completed last year. You can read about it at https://www.3gpp.org/release-15. That article you posted elsewhere is, well, from someone who isn't very informed. This is really, really 5G. I know you want to bag on Hans but there is plenty of other valid stuff to choose from. This is just trolling on your part. You really should go back to, I dunno, whatever non-wireless stuff you know how to do.
Why can I say that this isn't 4G?
1) 4G LTE (even "LTE Advanced") doesn't work in mm wavelengths. It's not in the 3GPP standard. It tops out in the 5 GHz range, and that's really just so it can be used in unlicensed WiFi bands. The stuff in Chicago and MN is in the 28 GHz band, IIRC. Might be 39 GHz, but it's not sub-5GHz.
2) 4G LTE (even "LTE Advanced") doesn't support 100 MHz wide channels. It's not in the 3GPP standard. Nothing bigger than 20 MHz.
3) 4G LTE (even "LTE Advanced") doesn't give you 450 mbps consistently. Let along bursts of 1 Gig. You can get some speedtest results in that range with LTE Advanced, but only when there's nobody on the network. You know, like with T-mobile. {rim shot}
So, if it isn't 4G, and it goes wayyy faster than 4G, and it uses spectrum that 4G can't use, in ways that 4G can't use. And the body that wrote the 4G standard has been working on this as their 5G standard for three years or so. I dunno, what should we call it?
Sorry if this is over your head. MHz and GHz and all. We RF folks use it to talk about the RF standards. Wireless stuff.
Now, if you wanted to point out that this is really just a 5G air interface running on a 4G core network, well then, you would be spouting truth. I'm not talking the fiber itself, but the core network elements are all still 4G or variants of them. That's why you see 5G speed but not the touted 5G latency. To my knowledge, they haven't started network slicing or distributed computing. NFV is still much harder than they all thought it would be, hence all the $$ VZ has poured into it and the nada that they have for it. But it's a 5G signal on a 5G device.
- the same former RF engineer and 12/28'er
"...the stuff they rolled out in Chicago and MN is legit 5G. Not 4G advanced."
Hate to burst your bubble, but they haven't even published the "final" 5G standards yet. So nobody's got it.
Ummm, I’m sorry to burst your bubble, but the stuff they rolled out in Chicago and MN is legit 5G. Not 4G advanced. They have a different name for that. Something like "LTE Advanced" or something. The footprint is small, but it's real 5G.
- a former RF engineer and a 12/28'er
I’ve heard that real 5g is still years away. Cellular 5g will be first followed by 5g for the home. They still haven’t figured out how to get the home service from the pole to the wireless ONT on the side of the house. What they are saying is 5g now is just an enhanced 4g service, and nothing more. They should be running fiber for fios in the meantime, but are not. I for one, will not get the wireless home 5g when it becomes available. I will stay with Comcast until Verizon rolls out fios in my area.