To deprive someone of a wage not because he is failing to earn it or because you can no longer afford to pay it but because you have decided that you would prefer not to pay him is robbery. The fact that it has been a widely accepted and almost universally recommended business practice for more than 30 years tells us one thing: Corporations do not exist to deliver goods and services to people. Nor are they there to provide employment to workers. They are a nihilistic engine for the accumulation of wealth. Just as equine sporting events provide the necessary arithmetic for a numbers racket, so too is the fantasy of the corporation that Does Something an unavoidable component of making it possible for people to profit from an increase in its stock price. These people are playing Pokémon with the nation's wealth.
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5peh... Agreed. there was a very lively discussion going on in this thread that was censored for no reason i can see. Those on both sides were removed... stupid comments were eradicated along with well reasoned arguments.
our 1st amendment is intended to allow the discussion and consideration of all ideas... popular or not.
I guess this site has joined the ranks of facebook, twitter, et al in censorship.
at least those sites have a discernible bias.
As a liberal libertarian and, more importantly, as an American, it’s infortunate to see debate stifled, and posts deleted, even when they contained no abusive language. Both liberal- and conservative- leaning stuff was wiped out seemingly IMO without rhyme or reason. Aren’t we adults? We can handle debate oh “wise” website masters.
Free speech, even at the risk of ruffled feathers, should be condoned.
Soon no more layoffs when we are all piece workers. Fun times fighting for the next sc-ap of work to get paid.
TMI....next
all businesses are created for one reason.... to make money. if they claim anything else, it is for marketing purposes.
a company's purpose is not to provide a product or service UNLESS it makes a profit.
companies do not (and should not) employ UNLESS the employees help make a profit.
a perfect (though impossible) company is one that makes a profit without any investment or effort.
if a company is not making the owner (or shareholders) money it is a failing company.
if/when the company grows big enough, it will employ people to accommodate the demand... hiring continues as the company grows. if the company starts doing worse OR increases in efficiency, layoffs occur as the EXCESS employees are no longer needed.
layoffs CANNOT be deprive the employee of anything. If a company no longer needs the services of the employee, or the employee is not profitable, employment is terminated.
companies provide pay, benefits, and amenities to attract productive employees that increase profits. an employees worth is reflected in the bottom line. if the company can make more money by making the employee happier, they will invest in the employees happiness. if they do not think the investment will yield profits, they don't (and shouldn't) pursue it.
an employees happiness CAN BE a byproduct of the companies success. a happy employee may increase profits, but not necessarily so. a company may decide to provide pay, benefits, and amenities to help cultivate happy, PROFITABLE employees. it is, however, not a moral requirement that the company make employees happy.
Look we had to pay for Yahoo and AOL. I talked to a Priest, a Rabbi and my Shaman. No one had a verse on layoffs. So we walked out of the bar.....
You're not entitled to anything.
Verizon is under no obligation to guarantee you employment.
I came here looking for a job and I'll leave doing the same.
OP
“To deprive someone of a wage not because he is failing to earn it or because you can no longer afford to pay it but because you have decided that you would prefer not to pay him is robbery.”
Hey, OP, from your mouth to God’s ear.
However, I’m certain many of the commenting naysayers here who “claim” to be people of God, are, in reality, folks who believe are actually in some way superior to folks in the same boat, belying a deeper ignorance.
Day traders are ruling the roost and calling the shots. Not good.
Investments used to be more longterm and safer.
Now, too often, just games, checkers not chess.
I’m not the OP but, if you give his/her words a fair reading, what’s so objectionable?
If taking a person, who’s doing their job well, means of livelihood away, not as a decision based on it’s long-term benefit to a business but, rather, as a temporary means of pumping the stock short-term , despite it’s long-term negatives, so an executive can cash in monetarily on that worker’s demise IS immoral theft, plain and simple. Where did people lose their compass as to what is acceptable and unacceptable?
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. It’s what we teach, or should teach, our kids.
Suppose it was done to you or your child, being let go, being financially ruined, you and your family, so that a billionaire can have a little bit more to himself.
And some fools cheer for more of the same, and keep championing taking more and more from your peers by people that don’t need it, but are consumed by greed. Why do you serve them and their evil agenda?
Peace.
"It's a business, it aint UNICEF" Joe Dirt
Layoff did not originally mean what it means now
layoff: an occasion when a company stops employing someone, sometimes temporarily, because the company does have enough money or enough work.
Well I am a stockholder , so go make that money
Corporations exist to make money for their stockholders. They are evil in that they will do whatever it takes to make the most money. No matter how many people it hurts.