The Organization has more number of Managers then the Individual contributors. Most of the Manager [ around 90% of them ] stop contributing once they promoted from IC to Manager level. Reporting hierarchy should be made minimal. Make all the manager an individual contributor to see progress. Reorg every now and then will not provide any benefit to organization, it is waste of time and money.
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so they help each other out and try to NOT lay management off.
I think managers have a more difficult time if they are laid off, finding another job, so they help each other out and try to lay management off.
I saw a former senior director that is now listing programming languages on his linked in page. Sad.
In some places they've gotten the idea that managers will not be laid off. So managers get their buddies promoted.
Really, it's the management that should be laid off first. Most of the layers are completely unnecessary and surely they must be paid much more than developers. Developers have actual knowledge that is needed by the company. Managers can be laid off with essentially no loss to the company.
Doesn't make sense to me.
Top heavy mnmgt to worker ratio leads to too many confusing and contradictory policies and procedures enacted by management. This is a fine example of if you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Too many managers, and not enough leadership.
Group Manager is a highly irrelevant job here at Oracle. Most of these ppl are having close to 16-18 years of experience and they are stubborn and reluctant to change themselves. Not brining any value to the product. They are simply trying to save the a-- by introducing headless proccess. They play lot of favouritism especially at IDC. Its highly vulnerable to the overall development
Managers keep protecting their jobs by having new processes in place, to give the appearance of action. In the meantime, overworked grunts are overworked trying to put a new process in place, designed for no apparent reason. There is smoke and mirrors, and workers are being burnt out to create that smoke.
not sure what Org you are in but the fat is probably not in first or second level management and there is likely not more management than IC. also, in some orgs, there are a lot of people with "manager" and "director' in their title who are actually IC - its title only and its not even M-level. the reality is so much more complicated. maybe there are qa and dev orgs out there that are manager heavy. it happens over time, I guess. O has many people focused on the customer but is the least customer focused organization I've seen. start addressing that with cuts and reorgs.
I hope you realize that mid managers and ICs are seen as overpaid by executive management. I would expect some cuts and flattened orgs pretty soon. Division that do not bring in revenue that can be cut will be cut. Rumor is some unexpected plug pulling is coming. Those that have survived in the past and think they are safe will be very surprised.
Funny you posted this comment in the layoff forums about the same time I heard this rumor. Care to enlighten us on why you picked this time to make the comment about how you would reorg?
Few QA org is merging with Dev team. The Management team is get doubled by addition of QA. Individual contributes will survive what happens to QA managers survived in the org by showing the numbers in PPT.
It’s happening now in Oracle APAC. The apac SC VP is in a firing mode and he is keen get everyone out and screw up Oracle; builds a team of low profile; only god can save Oracle APAC. Who cares anyway?!
from my limited view, best SC's left and bad manager stick