Anyone here that Oracle is quietly backing away from cloud? The same way they quietly backed away from sun, from hardware and from engineered systems?
My understanding is the focus is now on Apps, not cloud. Basically hosted apps for medium sized businesses.
Rumor is exec's don't believe they can or want to compete, they pretended they jumped on the bandwagon for awhile, but have quietly gotten off.
Rumor is reorganizing plans are underway.
My understanding is the focus is now on Apps, not cloud.
Isn't that what TK wanted to do? And LE was against that?
Seems unlikely, given that, but maybe there are people in the management tasked with going in that direction.
It would certainly be a good line of BS that the management can use for a few years. Cloud has failed, don't lay us off, we've got apps we can build! Honestly, I suspect that would fail also, but it might add a few years for some people.
After 10 years in development, I just can't see anything being really developed at Oracle. Oracle is an acquisition machine only. And then only does maintenance on the code it gets. Nothing is ever successfully written at Oracle, at least as far as I could see.
"A multi-decade career investment in Solaris isn’t worth squat in the job market."
FWIW, I know of more than a few who transitioned into Linux. But many of them have encountered ageism. Many a 32 year old hiring manager will only see a wrinkled face and gray hairs during the interview.
Also worth remembering that many of these people have worked their entire careers at Sun. Interviewing for a new job can be intimidating for them.
I don't think that's true, is it? Didn't TK leave because he thought that Oracle should focus on PaaS and SaaS but Larry has a hard on for competing in the IaaS space?
Spot on. I know those old grey Unix guys and gals. They know the score. A multi-decade career investment in Solaris isn’t worth squat in the job market. As long as they are needed at O, they will put up with lots of mgmt disrespect to stay employed. If the time line is 15 yrs that should workout and see them into retirement.
Oracle is not winding down fron Cloud, it's winding down from IaaS simply because LE finally realized - and was high time to do so - that the supposed war - never actually been a real one - with Amazon, Google and even Alibaba is lost. so now he ordered to refocus on PaaS, specifically ERP and DB. I think we do have some possibilities there, but surely Oacle is too large for that, this refocusing simply means more layoffs in the close future for those not working in PaaS
Ah, you don’t think it’s good engineering, but its superb financial cloud engineering. SC was never better at make belief than now.
Lol.. Cologix owns the data center. Oracle is renting space.
Cologix announced that Oracle Cloud Infrastructure is now available through Cologix’s Toronto data centre. Canadian-based enterprises will have the ability to leverage the flexibility of Oracle Cloud Infrastructure through Cologix’s Toronto (TOR1) data centre.
https://data-economy.com/oracle-unveils-new-toronto-data-centre-in-line-with-their-2018-expansion-promise/
What a bunch of sad sacks. Toss a couple of new servers into someone else's data center for a colocated hosted solution circa 1999 and call it cloud. How fast can this rented solution fold up and collapse if Oracle pulls the plug?
Ya know Amazon has real data centers, they actually invest in infrastructure. Oracle doesn't even try to compete. Like a bunch of kids renting a limo for prom, the Oracle executives are only fooling themselves
So this new Oracle Toronto data center and others around the globe.... are they new data centers that Oracle built?
Or is Oracle renting space in someone else's data center?
https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/news/oracle-opens-cloud-data-center-toronto/
Oracle has lost the SaaS race to SFDC, MSFT, WorkDay and sap - time to hand up the towel
PaaS makes sense for Oracle - Java, DB, etc. all the other platform and development tools that, while not the best, at least are what the industry uses. DB in the cloud and on-prem should be a source of strength for oracle as should java and web development tools in general.
IaaS also makes sense because we make hardware, have an OS, etc.sure, why not. yes, we don't have a lot of datacenter experience but Amazon turned their internal datacenter experience into industry-leading cloud efforts and they don't even manufacture hardware and build their own OS (ok, its Oracle VM but still)
SaaS, we are all over the place. I know everyone want to focus on apps but there are people who do apps much better than Oracle. Really, are any of our apps something that is industry leading? Peoplesoft maybe. Do we have anything that people clamor for?
It could very well be that they are focusing more on SaaS Apps, and have quietly conceded that they missed the boat on PaaS and IaaS, but who knows?
Also, a difference between Sun and PaaS/IaaS is that there is a large installed Sun/Engineered systems base that will be generating support revenue for 15+ more years, so that won't go completely away anytime soon. Sure, they will only have a skeleton crew fixing bugs and releasing patches, but it will be there for a while. I suspect that many will stay on board until they reach retirement.
how would this be responsible to shareholders?