Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Pay cuts rather than layoffs?

I don't know if the rumor is true, but it does make sense to do paycuts rather than layoffs. Cheaper for Oracle and gives the employees room to think about whether they want to continue to work there without being suddenly laid off.

On the other hand, paycuts will probably cause the better people to leave more quickly. The people who can't find a job anywhere else will then be left and the employee gene pool is then further depleted.

I was hoping to get some more opinions on this subject?

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I had mid-level management under ES state that the severance package could always change “next time”. It’s on the table folks, and I believe paycuts are being considered as well. It is no longer a matter of “if”, only a matter of when for certain areas (think HW and Solaris) that layoffs will occur and/or a combination of severance reduction and paycuts.

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Post ID: @2vkf+XKblS3Z

They can most definitely reduce your pay in the USA. When he was HP's CEO, MH cut everyone's pay 5%.

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Post ID: @2tnx+XKblS3Z

I don't know what part of the world you live in but for most of the USA, you can be laid off immediately with no notice, no reason, and the only pay requirement is your last paycheck + compensation for your vacation balance (doesn't exist anymore for USA ORCL employees). Yes, that's right, no 1 month advance notice or mandatory severance package. If you received a severance payout from ORCL in the last few years, consider yourself fortunate.

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Post ID: @2zje+XKblS3Z

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Can a company cut your pay or your hours? In many cases, the answer is yes. The amount you make and the hours you work aren't guaranteed. If you aren't protected by an employment contract or bargaining agreement, your employer can reduce your salary and your work schedule at any time, with some limitations.

What is a Pay Cut?

A pay cut is a reduction in an employee's salary. Pay cuts are often made to reduce layoffs while saving company money during a difficult economic period. A pay cut may be temporary or permanent, and may or may not come with a reduction in responsibilities. Some pay cuts also affect an employee’s raises, bonuses, and benefits.

When Can a Company Reduce Pay?

Your employer doesn’t need a reason to cut your pay or reduce the hours you are scheduled to work. Unfortunately, employers can, in most cases, cut your pay or reduce your hours since most employees are "hired at will."

Employment at will means that when workers don't have a formal employment contract or are covered by a bargaining agreement they can be terminated, demoted, and have hours reduced or pay lowered at the company's discretion.

Laws

A pay cut cannot be enacted without the employee being notified. If an employer cuts an employee’s pay without telling him, it is considered a breach of contract. Pay cuts are legal so long as they are not done discriminatorily (i.e., based on the employee’s race, gender, religion, and/or age). To be legal, a person’s earnings after the pay cut must also be at least minimum wage.

Even with a pay cut, non-exempt employees (hourly wage earners who make less than $455 per week) are generally guaranteed overtime pay.

Workers with individual employment contracts or protections under union contracts are normally shielded from salary or wage reductions during the periods covered by those contracts. In those situations, an employer cannot arbitrarily cut your pay or change your hours.

How Much Lower?

If you're an employee who isn't protected by a bargaining agreement or employment contract, there is no set amount that you have to be paid. However, employers cannot reduce wages to a level which is lower than the minimum wage in their state.

The federal minimum is $7.25 per hour. Some states have a higher minimum wage than the federal minimum. Here's a chart that lists the state minimum wage rates (2018).

There are some exceptions to the minimum wage rules, but you cannot be paid less than the minimum wage rate for your classification in your state.

Discrimination Issues

When employers reduce wages, they are required to do it in an equitable manner. Companies cannot target workers for wage reductions by race, age, or any other protected class under discrimination statutes.

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Wage/salary reductions for reasons which are in opposition to public policy are also not legal. For example, an employee's hours or salary cannot be cut for taking time off for jury duty, to serve in the National Guard, or for whistle-blowing regarding an employer's actions that are harmful to the public.

Sample Letter

Here's an example of a letter to an employee explaining that there will be a pay cut, with details of how much salary will be reduced and when the reduction will go into effect.

Kathy Williams

Vice President, XYZ Company

123 Maple Street

Anytown, USA 11111

January 15, 20XX

Dear James Smith,

As you are aware, the recent economic downturn has adversely affected XYZ Company. To increase cash flow and limit layoffs, the company has decided that salary reductions are necessary at this time.

We are asking all employees to accept an 8% pay cut. The executive staff has already taken the same pay cut.

We are asking to reduce your monthly salary from $XX to $YY beginning one month from now. Your current position and duties will remain the same.

During this period, we will continue to monitor the company's financial situation. If the economic situation and the company's performance improves in the next two quarters of the year, your former salary may be restored.

If you decide to decline this reduction in pay, you will be removed from your position effective one month from today, with severance pay.

We appreciate all the hard work you have put into your position at this company, and we do not want to lose you as an invaluable employee. Your understanding, support, and co-operation to help the XYZ Company endure the current economic situation is greatly appreciated.

Yours sincerely,

Kathy Williams

Vice President

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Post ID: @2mvz+XKblS3Z

1 month severance package is required by law for some positions. It's a State law that requires 1 month advanced notice.no cooperation wants to risk telling employees and have them return to work for a month long period. So the alternative is to pay them a full month of salary.

Paycut doesn't work. It might be against the law as well

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Post ID: @2yed+XKblS3Z

Just going to keep propping up the stock until LE dies. Then Oracle will be the next IBM. A name of the past.

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Post ID: @1fkv+XKblS3Z

"Eventually, that may be exactly what they do, or eliminate the package all together. I don't think they have to give any severance at all, if they don't want to. "

There is no law requiring severance pay. That said, the package is a carrot they dangle before you so you'll promise (as in sign) to not sue for wrongful termination. It's the only reason Corporate America offers packages.

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Post ID: @1xre+XKblS3Z

If you’re unhappy, get out. You will be better off moving to a new job with the sign on bonus and stock option if you are in engineering. And may be in other functions too, but by experience is in engineering..

Good luck and don’t wait for Turd and SC to f*** you up. My feeling is, as long as they run the big red O, it’s going down the drain.

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Post ID: @1syn+XKblS3Z

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Eventually, that may be exactly what they do, or eliminate the package all together. I don't think they have to give any severance at all, if they don't want to. Those things can change.

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Post ID: @1wea+XKblS3Z

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I would think that is a possibility. Wouldn't put anything past them.

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Post ID: @1cue+XKblS3Z

Oracle could just do what IBM did and pay 1 week of severance.

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Post ID: @1vry+XKblS3Z

If you take a pay cut... and then you get a package.... does Oracle save money? Say you have a base of $120,000 and you take a pay cut to $80,000. Then could they give you up to x number of months based on your new salary of 80K?

So basically could MH reduce the cost of the layoff package by the same percentage he cuts your salary?

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Post ID: @1zzz+XKblS3Z

HP/EDS all over again. Along with HP/Compaq

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Post ID: @ulw+XKblS3Z

I can understand putting up with a pay cut if the economy were such that it would be very hard to find a job, but otherwise, I'd start looking now, especially if you are in a business unit that has been cutting over the last two years. Or, I guess if you think you will get a package, you could put up with a pay cut hoping the next thing will be a RIF????

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Post ID: @kib+XKblS3Z

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So if you are given a pay cut, will you still hang out hoping for a package? Or would that cause you to leave?

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Post ID: @azb+XKblS3Z

id--t, The BETTER people are gone.

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Post ID: @bxm+XKblS3Z

Take a pay cut? Hell no. I, like many others, am waiting to be laid off for the package. Until then, the easy paycheck keeps coming.

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