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All about the Leading rating and getting promotions.

The "performing" rating means to meet expectations and periodically exceed them. "Leading" means to consistently exceed them. If the expectation is to do your job, then exceeding expectations would be to do things above and beyond the basic job duties.

On the engineering side, those who help support their peers and collaborate with other peer groups and departments while meeting their basic job expectations will have a better chance of getting leading. This is simply due to how managers on a director team stack rank their employees, the basis of which determines the end of year rating. When comparing two employees who do their jobs equally well, the one who supports others will get ranked higher than the one who doesn't. You can't sit in the shadows and just do your basic job duties with minimum interaction with the rest of your team and expect to get leading. Being supportive of your team will also likely create a paper trail of things your manager can use to advocate for a leading rating, and a promotion.

The problem with the leading rating comes when trying to promote an employee. I've seen promotions happen in two different ways:

  1. Manager gets a headcount and posts a job opening for the new engineering level for the promotion for a short period of time and has the target employee apply for it. A standard interview process ensures, but the short time the position stays open for usually minimizes the risk of a more qualified person applying.

  2. Manager works with HR to directly promote the employee. Usually this requires a year of meeting HR deliverables. However, a leading rating can usually bypass the long and slow HR promotion process.

If there's no headcount for option 1, then option 2 must be done. Usually a manager doesn't want to wait a year and jump through HR hoops to promote an employee, especially to not lose up and coming talent, so the fastest way would be to give an employee leading and bypass the HR year long action plan.

The problem is it that HR only allows 1-2 leading ratings per director team, which can be 70+ employees, so using a leading rating for a promotion likely means it has to be taken from someone who deserves it.

I've seen some terrible managers, so I'm sure that they're the cause of many missed promotions and year end ratings that are not given to who truly deserve it, but getting promoted and a leading rating requires going well above and beyond the basic job duties and active communication with your manager so they know what you're doing. Document the things you believe you're doing that would make you deserve a leading rating or a promotion. Compare your notes with your manager at the mid year review and before the year end (stack ranking is usually set before the year's end). Your manager can't tell you exactly where you are on the stack ranking, but they can give you a general idea if you're towards the top or not. Often times theres more deserving candidates for leading and promotions than a director can give out in a year, so the manager team has to fight amongst themselves for which will get the top ratings and promotions. The manager who is armed with the most data on their employees achievements will usually win out.

If you were passed up for a promotion/leading, make sure you understand why and work on the things your manager tells you to work on to better position yourself for next year. If theres no progress in a couple years despite you doing what you were supposed to work on (and actually improving), then you need to find a different team because your manager is the obstacle.

Reposted from @XBAWIZw-5ukw .

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Post ID: @OP+XH2eZb5

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Talking hasn't helped. Lots of giving promos to people they peg well before the openings are broadcast. Good ol boys club. I've applied, interviewed a handful of times. Nada.

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Post ID: @6ggo+XH2eZb5

Verizon India has mandated to give 10% D rating targeting the old employees. Manager s has misutilized that privelage targeting employees who are Very capable since they can find jobs outside also..

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Post ID: @4zqf+XH2eZb5

Very informative post! Thank you.

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Post ID: @4oje+XH2eZb5

@4dei - Talk to your manager. Promotions are never given without first showing interest in a promotion first.

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Post ID: @4hwv+XH2eZb5

I am an Engineer III and I received a leading rating with a large salary increase but still no promotion. I do not understand why I wouldn’t get that bump up. I am already doing the work and performing as an Engineer 4 or a Principle. All other Engineer III in my department have half the workload and half the responsibilities as I do.

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Post ID: @4dei+XH2eZb5

On my team it goes to the person sleeping with the manager

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Post ID: @3dnb+XH2eZb5

@1qjh

What level are you? (III, IV, Principal, etc?) And have you discussed your career advancement options with your manager? Usually you're not given a promotion unless you ask for one and have strong track record. Clearly. 11 leading ratings in a row should be more than enough to fast track a promotion if you ask for one, or at least get your manager to pounce on the next open head count at the next level up when available.

I've seen plenty of people that are happy at the level they're at, despite being capable of doing the job at the next level up. Some don't like the increased visibility, but perform at such a high level that they could get promoted if they ask to be.

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Post ID: @2yoo+XH2eZb5

No BS in this post. I've gotten leading for literally 11 years in a row. I've had exactly zero promotions. Decent year end increases and STI, but my title has not changed. Trying to find a way to fix that, but haven't gotten anywhere so far.

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Post ID: @1qjh+XH2eZb5

@XH2eZb5-1qeu - "Above" not about

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Post ID: @1qkf+XH2eZb5

ex-Verizon employee here; we used to call the "Leading" rating the "Walk on Water" rating. I was employed for 25 years and never got about the "Meets Expectations" rating.

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Post ID: @1qeu+XH2eZb5

@1ndf

A manager falling back to standard company lines indicates they don't have the courage to tell you the real reason he/she doesn't want to promote you.

Sometimes there's no more room at the next level up (Principal positions in regional departments especially), so in most cases the only way for a principal promotion to happen is when a principal in the region has a job change or retires. Because of the scarcity of open principal headcount, other directors under the same ED might even try to steal the headcount for someone on their team. III to IV is less trouble because they're the same pay band, but if theres a higher ratio of IV's to III's in your region compared to other regions, HR probably will probably provide some pushback or outright block it.

However, even when there's no more positions available for a promotion, if your manager isn't actively working to get you in line for a promotion the next time it's available and only feeding you standard BS, then he doesn't view you as deserving of a promotion.

Unfortunately there's too many weak managers that are afraid of confrontation and would rather feed you generic BS instead of telling you what you actually need to work on or giving you opportunities to succeed (or fail) with higher visibility projects. If your manager says you need more exposure, ask to be given a higher visibility project to get that exposure. If he won't give you more exposure but hands out the project to others on your team, then its favoritism/discrimination and you can document it and go to HR.

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Post ID: @1bub+XH2eZb5

You also forgot to add that if you are one of the director’s favorites, there are a hundred of reasons for you to be promoted, otherwise you are asked to show some skills no one in the company has mastered yet other than go above and beyond.

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Post ID: @1ayj+XH2eZb5

You forgot to add that if there is a director change, good luck getting that promotion even though you were leading a year and half. They have their own ideas and then its the standard company line of " You need more exposure, You need to be more involved, they are only promoting once a year now, you need to engage in more projects, blah, blah. I've heard it more in 25 years than I can count. I'll just do the bare minimum from now on because you can only be beat down so many times.

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Post ID: @1ndf+XH2eZb5

This explains why I have been not promoted for so long, even a leading does not help. I take VSP and leave because of it.

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Post ID: @1olb+XH2eZb5

Good post. But therein lies the problem...there's no flexibilty or easier method to promote deserving people quickly or easily without playing these silly games. There is a better way, but this is how VZ handles this aspect of our employment. And why I am leaving.....VSP, baby!!

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Post ID: @1qyb+XH2eZb5

@1ubc, I’m all for your idea of bar increases.

I’m going to add Rosie O’Grady’s.

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Post ID: @1fut+XH2eZb5

Also every year the bar increases so what you achieved the previous year becomes your new standard ( performance baseJ the next year. So each year you need to continue to grow and raise the bar to be considered for leading.

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Post ID: @1ubc+XH2eZb5

What a great post, Thanks

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