Thread regarding Xerox Corp. layoffs

Collecting Unemployment - Be Aware of Timing

Pay heed to the next to last paragraph below (from NYS Legislature):


New York Unemployment Benefits No Longer Available to Former Employees Receiving Severance.

Effective January 1, 2014, former employees in New York are, in most cases, ineligible for unemployment insurance benefits while receiving severance pay, pursuant to a recent amendment to New York’s Unemployment Insurance Law. The amendment was enacted as part of a package of reforms aimed at returning New York State’s Unemployment Insurance Trust Fund to solvency in the wake of the economic recession.

The amendment defines “dismissal pay” as “one or more payments made by an employer to an employee due to his or her separation,” excluding “payments for pension, retirement, accrued leave, and health insurance or payments for supplemental unemployment benefits.” Under the new law, an individual cannot obtain unemployment insurance benefits during any week in which his or her dismissal pay exceeds the maximum weekly unemployment benefit rate – currently $405 and increasing to $420 in October 2014. Ineligibility for unemployment insurance benefits will continue for each week in which the weekly severance payment exceeds the maximum weekly unemployment benefit rate. In the event the employer structures the severance payment as a lump sum, the New York State Department of Labor will employ a formula (using the former employee’s prior actual or average weekly pay) to determine the number of weeks of ineligibility for unemployment insurance benefits.

The new disqualification provision only applies to applications for unemployment benefits filed after January 1, 2014, not to previously filed claims.

However, there is a catch. The disqualification does not apply when the initial (or lump sum) severance payment is made more than 30 days after the last day of employment. In that event, the former employee can collect unemployment benefits immediately.

New York employers should keep these new unemployment disqualification provisions in mind when designing separation packages and communicating with former employees. The timing of severance payments, in particular, is a crucial consideration.

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Post ID: @OP+UtgQ1fm

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My comment was based on an IRIF situation not VRIF. To use sample dates to hypothetically make my point, while they may pay your salary through Oct 31st, if your last day either physically in a Xerox office or remotely performing work for Xerox is September 9th then that is your last day worked per the state at least when I went through that process. On Sept 9th they hand you your exit/severance paperwork and you generally have a period of time to either accept or reject the terms of the severance. They can't process your serverence lump payment until you sign the paperwork, if you wait 30 days to do so then you know you won't get your payment within the first 30 days since last day of worked and therefore you qualify for unemployment. At least it worked for me that way. some people want to hurry up and sign to get their severance check as soon as possible and some people are concerned that they want to get the Cobra insurance as soon as possible . some also just assume they don't qualify for unemployment based on what they read on the state DOL website or they hear from the rumour mill. note that with Cobra Insurance you have a period of time I believe 90 days to sign up for the insurance and it's retroactive back to your last day worked. so if you hold off the 30 days in signing your paperwork and if you need the insurance you can always sign up immediately.

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Post ID: @cdgt+UtgQ1fm

Let me test my understanding....

You are saying that (hypothetically of course) when the the day comes that Xerox sends email with details of a voluntary separation, the clock starts and our "butt" is no longer in the seat and we coast for 31-60 days from the date we received the email, pondering deeply if we should take this hard shaft or bitterly hang on hoping to be part of the "New" Xerox?

Of course I'd wait for a minimum of 32 days (if possible) from the date of the email, sign the separation agreement and run over to the State Unemployment Office. However, before the ink is dry on the agreement, I will pause, bend over and moon the goshforsaken place.

Is my understanding correct? If not - as Ricky Riccardo of "I Love Lucy" fame would say, S'plain Lucy...Pleeeeezzzzze s'plain.

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Post ID: @ciyf+UtgQ1fm

Note all that yes there is the proviso in New York that if the severance or lump sum payment occurs 30 days after your last day worked... and it's important to know that's 30 days after your "last day of employment" meaning the last day your butt was in a seat in Webster New York working productively for Xerox not last day paid... then you can get unemployment. I was able to in 2015 because my employer gave us a period of time to accept the severance. So if you wait 31 days to sign the paperwork (assuming you have that option of course...we were given 60 days to sign) then you are more than 30 days from the last day your butt was last in a seat Webster and you qualify for unemployment.

Rumor mill ( and yes just that rumor mill so take this for what it's worth) says D-day may be next Thursday.

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Post ID: @9lgn+UtgQ1fm

Change in severance effective July 31, 2018. Unbenounced to anyone, HR changed policy for the sales organization, of 2 weeks flat severance. No longer are the years of employment relevant when being terminated/IRIF'd. For all of you hanging out for the big payout, it's over. Salespeople can now be terminated at a moments notice, for any cause. Get out now and get your sanity back.

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Post ID: @1izq+UtgQ1fm

I think it was for unused vacation days

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Post ID: @1axt+UtgQ1fm

Was the lump sum payment for unused vacation days?

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Post ID: @yvg+UtgQ1fm

They continued giving me a paycheck for 6 weeks and also gave me a lump sum severance payment.

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Post ID: @apc+UtgQ1fm

What do you mean....." 6 weeks of pay ...plus severance pay too?" Can you elaborate? I thought they were one and the same.

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Post ID: @esj+UtgQ1fm

I was laid off in a mass layoff from Xerox back in 2017. You will get help from Xerox. I got six weeks of pay after they laid me off. You should get some severance pay too. After that, I was on my own, but I had been paying into Social Security since I was 16 years old and they stepped up and helped me. There is a contractor that is taking lots of Xerox people since they started the layoffs, so search the job market. You, as a Xerox employee, have been trained on a lot of equipment, so hang in there.

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