Thread regarding Citrix Systems Inc. layoffs

We have to move into the cloud

What do you think will happen to Citrix if we don't execute well in Cloud? Look at the buying trends, as Mark T used to say (DOS) don't own stuff. The trends are that those on-prem customers are moving from a CAPEX model to a OPEX model (personally I don't get that but whatever I'm not a CFO). They don't want to own datacenters if its not critical to their business. The SMB market is basically full on in cloud and that's half our business. The other half is Enterprise. People don't want to spend thousands or millions deploying new technology, they want to click a button and have what they need when they need it. Its why we don't all have well water, or power plants at every house. We share those things with others to keep the cost low.

Citrix is dead if we don't move into the cloud. That doesn't mean we forget about our on-prem customers. We will have to work through a period of transition. It will be difficult but it will be worth it. And I don't think we will ever get to the point where we have no box product, some customers will always avoid the cloud. So its not about ignoring our roots, its about embracing them and growing them into a flourishing subscription revenue business. I feel bad for the sales folks since thats probably the most difficult thing in this transition is figuring out how you comp them.

Posted originally by @PAE4k9I-mfr, bumping it up because she/he makes a really good point.

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The cloud is so dull to work on.

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Post ID: @5tdp+PCwRE7f

"Maybe small/medium business but that's not where the money is."

You make a 13% profit on a product that is 80% margin. Where exactly is the ?

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Post ID: @1qnr+PCwRE7f

Citrix doesn't have cloud DNA. Other than sharefile, which service is actual cloud-native?

Cloud team built a new UI on top of old XA/XD and called it cloud. Netscaler as a service is a joke.

On-prem customers have to go to cloud and then connect to on-prem resources via the connector. A bunch of idiots!

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Post ID: @npj+PCwRE7f

We tried Citrix Cloud and it's not ready for enterprise. It's missing a lot of features. I can see it would be good for SMB space but not enterprise. Enterprise has a lot of legacy and there will be a hybrid model for years. Management layer only in the cloud has little benefit as managing that layer isn't difficult and NS in the cloud forget it. Citrix thowing all eggs in the cloud basket is risky, especially when their cloud offering is not mature. It seems to me unless you can do everything in the cloud that you can currently do with their OnPrem product it's not going to fly. Maybe small/medium business but that's not where the money is.

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Post ID: @bwg+PCwRE7f

A cloud approach is not compatible with many core products we offer - the reason why cloud exist is that people do not have to dink (and pay for) with tools we build.

That's the problem. That's why our pivot to the cloud has been, currently is, and will be futile...

If cars start to fly you really do not need continue to expand your highway network, focus on airspace control...

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Post ID: @imt+PCwRE7f

The cloud is potentially a good source of money. Just not very much money - maybe 5-10% of what XenApp used to make. It only really makes money for the company selling cloud resources - which is why Dell and Amazon will give away software for free as long as you buy compute hardware from them.

In any case, even if it suddenly got customers, CitrixCloud would only be cannibalizing existing revenue from XD. It mostly exists as an attempt to fight a US/UK internal Citrix political battle between Execs. It doesn't really give the customer much: maybe a couple fewer MSIs to install. As if the guy installing the product even makes purchasing decisions...

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Problem one: Enterprises aren't ready to move to the cloud, and in any case they already buy XD.

Problem two: Citrix's name is mud in SMB. At every possible occasion, Citrix has dumped on SMB customers and the channel to chase the big accounts.

Problem three: SMBs are happy VMWare or RDP customers.

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Post ID: @vus+PCwRE7f

Or just sell your company to Microsoft and they can sell your subscription licenses for you...

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Post ID: @xoc+PCwRE7f

Capex vs Opex

https://blog.intelex.com/2016/03/01/the-difference-between-capex-and-opex-software-purchases/

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Post ID: @vww+PCwRE7f

Or Partners could buy blocks of Citrix perpetual licenses and lease them to their customers if Opex is so attractive. If the Citrix EULA prevents this, change the EULA.

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Post ID: @jvw+PCwRE7f

Apparently they do. It’s just priced a lot higher than perpetual licensing. Citrix doesn’t have to move to the cloud. They just need to adjust their CSP licensing licensing model. Why would Citrix care whether the customer is on a cloud? Provide CSP licensing at a sImilar cost to perpetual and pay their sales people the same, if they’re not already, no matter which model is chosen. Capex to Opex seems fixable. Stop the Citrix has to move to the cloud dogma. Let the customer and partners choose when they want to do this.

https://www.citrix.com/content/dam/citrix/en_us/documents/become-a-partner/citrix-service-provider-program-guide.pdf

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Post ID: @wdq+PCwRE7f

Why not offer a lease license model for Citrix software? The customer could install it on prem or in the cloud. And it would be disabled if the lease payments stopped. I think that would solve to Capex to Opex Issue but I’m no bean counter.

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Post ID: @mdc+PCwRE7f

@PCwRE7f-hta: Citrix' core business is remote access. I worked there eleven years before I was allowed to work a single minute from home. That's not exactly eating your own dog food, so it would be no surprise if it didn't have any of its IT in 'the cloud'.

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Post ID: @ktr+PCwRE7f

Ask yourself this: Why doesn’t Citrix have any of its day to day IT in the cloud?

Answer: it costs 5 times as much

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