Seems like PIPs are being given instead of formal coaching. It use to be two formal coachings and then a PIP if the behavior continued. Looks like this has changed. If you are on a PIP you don't get offered a severance package if laid off. Also watch for general statements within the PIP that will qualify anything you do towards a termination. A performance improvement plan should be just that, a chance for the assc to improve. Shameful and a tremendous lack of integrity.
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"In several applications I have filled out there is a place to answer a question if you have ever been laid off, fired or involuntarily separated from a job within the last five years...if you need to answer 'yes,' this does not look good to the hiring manager (I was advised of this). I know severance is a huge issue, but if you are worried about a RIF you should have your ducks in a row before receiving that separation letter."
You are correct, poster who wrote this, and it is a very good point. I took a "job hunting" course in between jobs once, and they stressed that you are always more appealing to a potential employer while still employed than you are after a layoff. The "I'm staying to get my severance" mindset can backfire in the long run.
You are correct. There are a lot of changes happening that are not being discussed. There will be another reduction in force as programs end and guidelines change. Does anyone have information on what is happening with the Demo programs with Humana at Home? There will also be a process change for care managers in their requirement to send HW material to member via Cgx. It will be done in a similar fashion like ICTs are generated to send to the doctors. Leadership will always look for ways to save money, that is just business. This industry is undergoing tremendous change and will continue to do so. Do not believe that even as great as a worker you may be that you are safe from RIF (reduction in force). If you are not happy, I would suggest you look soon before another RIF. Just a heads up...in several applications I have filled out there is a place to answer a question if you have ever been laid off, fired or involuntarily separated from a job within the last five years...if you need to answer 'yes,' this does not look good to the hiring manager (I was advised of this). I know severance is a huge issue, but if you are worried about a RIF you should have your ducks in a row before receiving that separation letter.
There just needs to be an RN vs SNP CM Fight Club. "Thriving together."
On my high horse, and just stating, maybe they are already evolving? I'm not sure what your issue is, all I was suggesting was that one department may be more secure than another, my friend.
Not that simple my friend. There are a lot of changes yet to come in both SNP and HCCP. It's about streamlining and becoming more efficient. It's also about minimizing roles that generate no revenue. Why do you think SS were moved to CM roles in SNP? Do you really think HCCP SS roles are not going to evolve as well? And it doesn't take an RN to fulfill a CM role in all instances so get off your high horse.
Poster who said: , SS in SNP are Case Managers same as RN's now. They are secure unlike SS in HCCP who are also on the layed of list.
You aren't an RN. You are not the same as an RN, and while you may be a case manager, there may be insecurity in the future because you are doing an RNs role. At least in hccp, the social workers are doing that role, not the CM role.
And, I agree with the other poster about the misinformation about hccp ss- they haven't been and are not in any line of fire for layoffs.
I think you may have misinformation, SS in HCCP are not being laid off
Previous poster, SS in SNP are Case Managers same as RN's now. They are secure unlike SS in HCCP who are also on the layed of list.
SNP has already restructured and aren't part of this layoff. Who in their right mind would ask to move over to HCCP where the lay offs are happening?
Because, poster, hcm ss may be a more secure role than an ss in the SNP. I was trying to be helpful, no need to jump my s-it
SNP has already restructured and aren't part of this layoff. Who in their right mind would ask to move over to HCCP where the lay offs are happening? Besides, there's nothing but RN roles posted now for all areas anyway.
Why are the SW in the SNP being targeted now? You all are needed, and with the recent staffing changes, even more so....can any of you transfer over to the hccp side?
Wow, some people are cold and cruel!!! Thank you last poster for your kind words. Being cruel is the last thing we need during such difficult and uncertain times. We are already getting backstabbed by our own coach or management and now you coming to judge us?
Good luck to all. Let's spread more love than hate please ❤️
I don't get all the fighting here. The PHC have legitimate concerns as do the SNP. When associates are targeted, maybe because they have spoken up before, maybe because they don't brownnose, maybe for some other reason, it is not simply a case of "just do your job." If only it were that easy. If you know an associate who has been targeted, like I do, you might know the most hard working person you've ever met, who just happened to question the status quo or did something which unintentionally brought them under the radar. Depending on the leader, just rubbing one person the wrong way can lead to a miserable work life. We all need to try to walk in one another's shoes. Not every situation is as cut and dry as "do your job."
Get a grip poster: look for another job, you have a choice- I get you have a family to support, but with a month's notice of a possible layoff, you could look for another job. Are you in the SNP? Do you understand what is going on there or the changes that have happened or will be happening? The layoffs and staffing changes? The OP is seeing something going on, and was commenting on it, just as LOTS of folks commented on the PHCs lack of licensure. Do their job? Really???? Do you even understand the job and what the challenges are ? The population that the SNP deals with? Try doing your job and improving? Why don't you do your job and improve? You need a degree? Get it. Some things are not realistic or possible to do, and perhaps you need to walk a mile in a SNP persons shoes before you tell them to get a grip, when you haven't yourself. Get a grip? If you're so concerned about your family, why give Humana to have all the power in your life? Hang in there SNP folk!
Again, get a grip. We're worried about losing our jobs over here and you're whining about being on FC or PIP??? Try doing your job and improving! Your coworkers are able to do the job so it's not like its impossible. You just either can't or won't. Bottom line, you have a CHOICE right now and you're blowing it blaming your problems on everyone but yourself. We're over here stressing about losing our job through NO fault of our own. I'd gladly trade places with you right now, I have a family to support and I'm scared to death how we're going to get by if I'm layed off. You on the other hand have a choice right now, don't you see that??????
?? Prev post! I guess you don't understand the current dynamics in the SNP department where we are being incredibly micromanaged and accused for everything. Many of us have been here for many years and this is a first. FC were used to help you improve if there was a very serious matter... they are now a tool to fire you in no time! Sickening
The purpose of FC and PIPs are to weed us out in order not to pay severance once laid off!
Yeah, sure. Get a grip.
Unless you do something crazy bad you cant get fired for a formal coaching, that is before a PIP
The purpose of FC and PIPs are to weed us out in order not to pay severance once laid off! Notice they are not persecuting the Nurses... 🤔 shocking! The attacks and scrutinity are only to the SW's in the SNP program.
Such dishonest environment, full of deceit and punishment! We must run before it is our turn.
Lmao 😂 😂 to below poster!
LOL....the purpose of a formal coaching or PIP is to "inspire" you to do your job. Do you not understand this very basic fact?
Can someone share what the other website is? I'm so curious!
It seems coaches now days enjoy putting you in formal coaching. How do they expect this to help us with productivity? How are we to be inspired to do more for our members when they treat us like sh**??? Is this all coming from their COMS? Are COMS the ones inspiring them to be this nasty?
What is HR doing about it all? We are contacting them, is it falling on deaf ears????
I'm so ready for them to do something I'm tired of waiting
Before layoffs are announced. LOL Sorry about that
We only have two more days before layoffs are nouns. Just do the best you can. Make sure you hit your numbers and you should be able to skate through
The other website is a scam
I wish I knew where to find the other website??
When were we given "another " website? How do we know what it is? How do we trust it?
Aww man I have no idea what site that is.
Remember the other website address we've been given so the trolls at Humana can't see our conversations? Use that from now on. Much info being given there from a select group of employees. It will be made public to the media; including all of the illegal practices management is engaging in to ensure their loyal employees get the "perfect experience". More to come.
this is not accurate check with HR, they will give you the facts
Wow. This seems to be pretty accurate of som things we have seen. I feel confident I have the most incompetent unqualified horrible coach in all of SNP but there seems to be no concern from leadership about coaches who can barely use a computer let alone help her employees obtain succes in the role! Such a shame to have had such a great work environment become such a toxic place! It is hard to care for our members when we have employers who care so little for our success! There is some relief in knowing eventually our failures will become theirs.
Anything to get rid of employees! Such dirty place. Shame on you Humana.
The truth is that anyone can become a target. Care management is an art not a science, and therefore perfection is not a thing. We are going to make mistakes or even have differences of opinions on how to approach a particular case. If they want to target you it is easy. Just do what you, meet the concrete requirements of the job, do the PIP to the best of your ability, and be a decent teammate. Document everything if you get targeted.