Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Cloud washing sorcery is even better

Thus zeros chance of a lawsuit, oracle knows better and will put up with the leaks to avoid making page 1 of the WSJ and the NYT. Eat crow LE!

A lawsuit would be awesome. Talk about all the publicity that oracle would get for the layoffs that it's been doing over the last 18 months and trying to hide. Mr. LE/ MH, Mrs. SC please explain how many people oracle has laid off, why it has spread it out month by month and made no announcements, and what criteria were used? Can't wait !

@OCaXymt-1pyh

"plenty of non-public info here"

This is a rumor site more than anything else.

Most of the info turns out to be greatly exaggerated or untrue. (i.e. 60K layoff a few months back)

It would be good press for Oracle to sue people rumoring about their layoffs, almost as good as doing a WARN.

Post hit a nerve = validation. Use a private VPN if concerned about anonymity

@OCaXymt-1dnf

Bringing any new product to market has a lot of associated costs other than development, which linger for years. If M8 drops into existing chassis, then that would reduce, but not eliminate, some of the hit. But even, for example, just adding new SKUs to the price list costs money.

I can think of a bunch of other things -- some of which may have already been done, some not -- but trust me, LJE knows them by heart. He's a very pragmatic man. At the end of the day, it's about the math. Will shipping M8 systems bring in more direct (or indirect) revenue than just riding M7 into the ground will? The public roadmap I see from January says 1.4x performance increase. Is that enough to light customers up? How will M8 affect margins?

And is systems really under ES now? If so... .

1yla - is it your hope or wish that folks position here are tracked down ? Please keep indulging in fear mongering, but folks are not pushovers, and neither stupid - they can see right through your empty threats.

That's why other companies handle RIFs more professionally. They announce, they notify , they publically discuss there new strategy, and give everyone affected a fair chance to get reabsorbed, others to know with some surety of they will be affected or not.

I know 2 Ivy league NCGs , who were on verge of going back to China as they were let go without any warning whatsoever. While there is always a human cost to RIF, how about saying "folks, tough , but you will be laid off I'm next 60 days, please find a job so as to be safe on your Visa", or "please try and make alternate arrangements, you have 2 months".

MSoft just announced 10k job cut - yep, they "announced" it , not hit it from left field. Folks know what is happening, what they can expect, and move on.

If this site was anonymous, you could use Tor/onion browser but you can't. Posting confidential info without the protection of Tor is simply stupid.

@1pyh - go and have your heart attack somewhere else, nobody needs your bs

nope, you cannot compare to Rock. that cpu was never actually born, or better was born defective. and to correct and deliver the promised features and performances big cash would have been needed. no real supernova system ever existed with rock, just beta prototypes. that cpu was the dream, or better nightmare, of Marc Tremblay, that in fact left just after Rock death.

M8 is part of an organic and strategic roadmap, cpu is ready since more than 1 year, systems are ready to be shipped, performances are terrific. Would be pure madness to just cancel it.

I'm not saying it will not be cancelled. I'm saying it's not like Rock, and would be pure nonsense to not present M8. but unfortunately given how ES seems to think, could be possible.....

to those who believe it "would make no sense" to can the M8 so close to release, after all the development cost has been sunk in, marketing (well as much as Oracle markets anything but strategy), and all the preparatory public necessities such as (important) open source support been done ... recall Sun Microsystems history: that happened when Solaris 9/x86 was "discontinued", and again when the "Rock" processor got canned. Both Oracle and Sun's mgmt before have been quite capable of such moves. I can't argue "killing the Rock may have been right" but "killing M8 might be wrong" - I'll never know enough details what has tipped the balance either which way. Experience says though, such things have happened before.

"speak truth to power inside your own company" Oracle does not like to hear the truth, if you do speak up, you will be blacklisted and will on the next RIF.

Guilt, threat.. hmm, let's see what's next.

First of all, plenty of non-public info here. Second, have you researched who owns this site? Whois database doesn't list much other than some address in Canada. For all practical purposes this is a front for the Chinese. You all signed a confidentiality agreement. Binding by law. And you all want a severance at the same time. You don't like your company, go work for another one and go spill their secrets instead. All your IP addresses are being logged somewhere. Anonymous? Seriously? Wait until you are blackmailed or prosecuted. And furthermore, if you want to complain, speak truth to power inside your own company. I bet most people don't. They wait for te weird dude in the corner to stick his neck out and risk his career while you all complain behind close doors or on an "anonymous" site.

Integrity is not even in question here, and we all know that. Take another cheap shot - use loyalty, truth, love or some other emotion ? Pretty sleek but weak attempt buddy. The M8 being released is a public news, and most of the stuff discussed here is already public news. If you don't like it, please stop reading it.

"At least M8 is still being delivered"

...pointing to an article describing something an individual contributor did a month before this reorg.

You CANNOT justify your lack of integrity on what others do to you.

Folks here justify their lack of integrity based on somebody else's lack of integrity. Shameful. You owe respect to your fellow coworkers. The architects, microarchitect, physical design, verification that have spent countless hours over the last 10 years to make SPARC competitive. Most are not blabbering here about product lines and cancellations despite whatever the company may have done to them. Have a little integrity and shut up. If you don't like it, just leave. You can justify your lack of integrity on what others do to you. You either have integrity or you don't.

Strategy ? Would be better if it's not a "secret strategy ". Right now smells like a "I don't know, since I havent decided on the soup".

Ever heard or cared about employee morale and building team and company ? Earning trust ? Having a vision ?

None of us enjoy trashing our own company, but with the epic mismanagement, lack of vision and it's implication on our lives and family, we will continue to discuss what we know from grapevine.

And shame on the you, you should have had our loyalty, you even pay us, all you needed is to call us to rally behind your "vision". But the mypoic folk you and your type are...

@OCaXymt Oracle is not being transparent with its employees . Someone will come to you and blind side you and tell you to pack and leave . These people have families , mortgages , and many are on H1B visas which compromise everything they worked hard for . Its natural these people are looking for answers.

Oracle should change its policy of treating employees like robots that can replace and exchange any time with zero sympathy and start treating them as humans , after all they made the company while LE was busy buying islands.

Anybody here that works for Oracle and still wants a job should stop undermining SPARC and leaking half rumors without comprehending the strategy. In fact all the Oracle employees panicking yet trashing their own company should just leave at once instead of disclosing confidential info and at the same time hurting the business and their own careers. Shameful. If you think you are getting laid off stop reading this blog and start looking for a job.

At least M8 is still being delivered. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Oracle-SPARC-M8-GCC

@OCaXymt-1jty

The question already says only front-end (RTL+ verif) needs to be done in-house, if at all. Outsourcing "circuit" is basically using SNPs.

@OCaXymt-1ouo:

Not sure what you point is. M8 is ready to RR and could potentially be used in the cloud. But if M9 is canceled you don't need the design team or backend or anybody else building processors. Even if you want to offer sparc on the cloud at the moment.

Why do ASIC design yourself while you can outsource the whole thing to SNPS. Much cheaper. Just give them RTL netlist. Get rid of the entire physical design team. This is the way other companies are taking. HW has been and is becoming comoditized. No sense to have an internal team to do it. Too expensive. Nothing personal but it's the way the industry is.

Even if M9 is cancelled, aren't we still offering SPARC in the Cloud?

why limit it to sparc?

what about x86? is that safe?

are we going to continue with engineered systems? this is an expensive endeavor too, why continue with this experiment?