I know lot of people got laid off in 2016 like never before, but no one really knows exact figure. I am primarily looking number of Cisco Employees laid off in US all over 2016. Does anyone have reliable sources to quote accurate Figures only for US?
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Numbers are important. However numbers can also be used to manipulate the message. While I also would like to know the numbers, I won't let those numbers lose sight of the other facts. The layofffs are ongoing and always will be since the strategy of this elt and past leadership teams is to mostly acquire technology and not innovate internally. Very very few retire from csco by working until they are retirement age. Csco targets those folks in their 40's and 50's even when their performance is high and they keep marketable skills.
Numbers are important with new president in place. why should US lose so many jobs?
Seriously, why are you so interested in the US? Everyone knows that many (not all) US staff are lazy, entitled racists. US pay scale is -way- higher than anywhere else. Look at the hate on this forum for people perceived as foreign (e.g. Frequent reference to H1b and -much worse- "curries").
Why should there be any preferential or different treatment given to staff from -any- region, US or otherwise?
1147 blue badges in San Jose. Anybody have accurate numbers for other sites?
Some disgruntled employees are sharing their frustrations and moving away from real topic. can we have reliable number for number of layoffs in 2016 only in US. its important how much Cisco is really interested in US. I don't think things in ground will change due to change in political winds.
I'd agree with that (and I was fairly young when I was kicked out) Cisco's intranet "search engine" might as well be a random number generator, given that what you entered as a query has no bearing on what came out.
I didn't get the constant attempts to reinvent the wheel on the social stuff. Remember IWE? What was that for?
That said, it didn't help that there were plenty of older and arcane systems that no one knew how to use and no one wanted to document for the rest of us.
For example, I found finding an internal keygen to be a real challenge. I worked in one of the BUs, which was from an acquisition (though I came in from Cisco), and it was easier to just use the same internal keygen that the acquired company made, rather than the Cisco-ified version. Though we still had to dig out the keygen links for the products our thing was meant to work with. And put them on our own wiki, because every BU/department/team had their own implementation of mediawiki, unless they use wikicentral, etc. Or both.
Da machine is gonna start agin soon. So rest up and lat the games begin
Happy New year 2017 ! look forward to Increased rigor in LayOffs and Hr coverup of emp-harassment by Managers.
@ 3ler
This round is particularly bad because it was driven by cost from hr and finance rather than performance. To make it worse this is being done to the people who built the company and were awarded rsu's for their performance. ... This elt has horrible leadership skills. ... Leadership is driven by innovation from within not bought.
That is the truth. I found it funny how all the "old-timers" were recently complaining about how hard it was to find information because of the decommissioning of WebEx Social and the migration of the old wiki site to the new one and how many dead links there were when you searched for stuff, found documentation that had links to somewhere else, etc. Can you imagine how hard it is for the new replacements to find anything? Obsolete bookmarks aside, the search engines usually provided results that no longer worked due to the migration of data. At least us old-timers knew enough to get by and still find the info or gain enough insight to the issue to figure it out, but the new guys will be wasting 10 times more time trying to find what they need to do their new jobs. And all the back-end stuff that made things work. Those people are now gone and the new guys have no idea what all is on the back-end.
For anyone in IT, the EMAN-CLI was a great way to automate tasks. With the upcoming switch to some new tool--I forget it's name--to replace EMAN, all the reports & jobs that gathered data to update lists or whatever will die. And those who knew what those jobs were, how they worked, and what depended on them are gone. Next year will be fun! Is any of that stuff documented? I'm sure it was at one time, but with all the changes from one system to another I couldn't tell you where to find half the info I relied on for years now, but I had notes on my laptop that helped me. Too bad that laptop got re-imaged and sent back to CompuCom.
There's a reason why the old-timers were more expensive. We had more internal knowledge of how things worked and how to get things done at Cisco. Our productivity compared to a new guy far outweighed the wage difference. Now the new guy has to learn it all over time until they become the old-timer and get kicked to the curb for being expensive. Not a way to run a company in my opinion, but then again, I'm not a CxO with a golden parachute, so what do I know? I was just a peon who cared more about the company's success than the company cared about my livelihood.
Wall street greed is ruining this country. Companies won't hire or retain older workers. Congress wants to raise the minimum retirement age for Social Security to keep the program alive & funded. But if you can't work because companies won't hire you, then you're forced to retire. Pretty soon, there will be more Wal-Mart greeters than there are cashiers.
2kit - you are so right. It is one thing to do years of lr's and not have gobs of cash and not be cash flow positive. It is another very unethical and greedy thing to do years of ongoing lr's while Being cash flow positive with billions in backup. This round is particularly bad because it was driven by cost from hr and finance rather than performance. To make it worse this is being done to the people who built the company and were awarded rsu's for their performance. Then when it was coming time to pay out those awarded rsu's they were let go. This elt has horrible leadership skills. Anybody can throw darts at the wall to buy innovation and then let people go to cover the cost without pulling from the cash pile. Leadership is driven by innovation from within not bought.....
Also would be interesting to differentiate between Contractor (Red-Badge) and FTE (Blue-Badge) layoff numbers. I think most of the numbers quoted here and in the press are for FTEs only. My guess is you can double the current figures to cover these people.
Some of those contractors had been working @ Cisco for years and years.
There are a lot of numbers being thrown about on this thread and most likely the majority of them are guesstimates or plain wrong. In particular, the person claiming to be "from HR" is talking complete crap. I do believe the person who said to take anything from Cisco official with a grain of salt though!
What we DO know for certain is that in San Jose 1147 souls were laid off in 2016. WARN tells us that as it is a legal requirement in the state of California.
• 11-02-16, 42 people
• 08-18-16, 899 people
• 04-29-16, 83 people
• 01-21-16, 123 people
Numbers can be verified here: http://www.edd.ca.gov/jobs_and_training/Layoff_Services_WARN.htm
As everybody knows, San Jose was only the tip of the iceberg and huge numbers lost their jobs in RTP and other sites around the US. Bedfont Lakes and the UK was hit very hard, aswell as Germany, Ireland, France and other European sites not coming to mind right now. Israel site was pretty much decimated with massive layoffs and plenty others around the globe. I don't know if there will ever any official tally of total US or total global that will be accurate but both these numbers will be in the thousands, and be scary numbers.
On this day, the last one of the 2016, maybe it's a good time to reflect on the thousands of families that were affected by Cisco's corporate greed this year. Cisco have BILLIONS of dollars in the bank but that's not enough to feed the animals. And that's what they are. Animals. An ELT made up of clueless greedy animals, sailing our once majestic ship straight into the rocks. But hey, at least they are having "fun", right?
I have read an email from someone in HR they mentioned when finished the number will be 7700.
I think 827 were given "LR severence", the remaining were harassed so much that they ran away to save their own lives without taking any $ .LOL
It was more than 3K, Mr. X. I thought Cisco announced that 5500 people were impacted in Aug/Sep 2016 alone and I believe there have been more after that.
520 from UK only , 150 from Brazil , France on going , Italy ongoing , most of Cisco Capital in Europe is gone ! The so called HR person is clueless , USA over 920 including the whole "Cloud" Team, Service Provider Analytics Team, Mobility (MITG) , Open Daylight Team , 20% from CVG (Cloud and Virtualisation Group) Estimate is close to 10,000
Doesn't matter. People see what happened and leaving on their own because of it.
Chuck started layoffs Aug 2015. They've happened every quarter, since.
3K seems low, Mr.X. I think Israel alone lost close to 1K in August. You including both Q4 and Q1 waves?
I work in HR. Total of 827 employees were asked to leave due to FMP.
Globally it was nearly 3K.
This number should be made public and shared with Trump so Trump can "name and shame" them badly like he does with Manufacturing Companies moving jobs to Mexico
Not sure that number is going to be available. And if it comes from Cisco official then I'd take it with a pinch of salt. The paltry quaeter differential number quoted in the earnings call shocked a lot of people who were seeing friends and colleagues walk out the door every day. The number seemed completely unrealistic but maybe the three companies acquired had huge headcount - though I doubt it. People are leaving in droves of their own accord now so next official number on Feb 15th earnings call might be interesting. Actually, it probably won't be....