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I am somewhat senior and here is my take. If you are junior, and you stay less than 2-3 years, it is a good first job. Perfect? No. You will learn a lot about good and not so good practices. If you are senior, then it is fine. You are getting top of market pay, and if you navigate politics, you are generally treated perhaps too well.

The issue is if you are in the middle. There, because the company is not growing, your risk of RIF increases N% each year and your chance of promotion decreases by n%. This is true in all non growing companies. It is the rule of non growing public companies.

So, the question is, given the nature of the beast, why is there so much emotion about this. For me, it comes from what are essentially lies told from the top for years about how we were family. To me, that created false expectations about how we would be treated. I had a medical issue, and people were great. On the other side, I was told to show some face time sooner rather than later to avoid being a liability. Oddly, the family messaging seemed to catch with many folks until it did not. As many of you know, Brad Reese used to call Chambers teflon John. After I saw things with more open eyes and saw the carnage in 08, it is clear he is lying through his teeth John.

So, the net for me is that you have to have a strategy. Mine? I am finally, after seeing more lies and more things that don't reflect my core values, looking for something outside tech where I can add value and feel human. Trust me when I say this, the Cisco Board is the enabler of this and they should be held accountable.

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@KJZz7lt: " I am finally, after seeing more lies and more things that don't reflect my core values, looking for something outside tech where I can add value and feel human."

I applaud your strategy and wish you the best in whatever path you take. Core values, adding value, and feeling human have all been diminished over my many years of service within Cisco. While everyone operates with their own core values, I do believe adding value and feeling human are on everyone's list of priorities when it comes to job satisfaction. There is merit to finding something outside of tech as the industry is too closely intertwined and the world has shrunk because of it.

As a side note, I too am somewhat senior (in tenor >15 years, and title) and have been researching non-tech services that might align with my core values and satisfy my need for feeling human and valued again. It looks promising -

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Top of market pay? I know people coming out of college getting better pay elsewhere than some Cisco engineers with ten years of experience.

Best practices? Name one. I can go on for days on worst practices and I can't think of one best practice consistently done across the development organization.

The middle? A top performer just gets more crap work dumped on them and since restructuring often takes out whole teams being a bottom performer is only risky if your manager is strong enough to survive admitting that they couldn't keep you off the bottom. Middle is the lowest risk with the same reward.

Lies? They're one of many ethical challenges available to you as a valued employee.

You missed the topic of opportunity. Every PhD straight out of college I worked with left after a few months because they were given low level maintenance tasks. The work is rarely better at the higher grades and if I recall correctly stock grants were only available to TL2 and above so most engineers have Nitrogen Gas Handcuffs. Welcome to the world of legacy. Do you really want to start your career doing the work of unemployable 65 year old engineers?

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Unfortunately many of the (Ex)-colleagues in Dubai and other Gulf countries have left or will have to leave the country because of local labor low and not having a sponsor (Employer).. I haven't heard about anyone who was impacted in Q1 has found job in the country so far!! damaging lives and families futures because of the GREAT ELT and their decisions!!! Loughing about, "CISCO FAMILY" BS

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In response to KJZz7lt,

You must have forgotten the meaning of the word "Pride" !

Some of us take pride in what we do , so if one day you are part of a team that smashes its numbers and the next day you are told your whole team is laid off, there is emotion.

Especially because a senior exec messed up. In our case Mr Adamo who got pensioned off so handsomely.

Cisco like all big companies is a machine, it simply does not care, as you rightly have said , the problem happens , when an employee cares. May be not so much about one self, because if you are good you get a job in 2 months, but what about the ones that now have no chance of success. I live in UK , getting a job was easy, but what about the colleague in Dubai/USA/Saudi Arabia on a work visa tied to Cisco......

then there is raw emotion.

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