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Opec , deal no deal?

The Macquarie Group puts the chances of OPEC reaching a credible crude output agreement that boosts oil prices at 60 percent, but closely followed investor Dennis Gartman thinks those odds are too generous.

The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries may produce a deal when it meets in Vienna on Nov. 30, but it's doubtful such an accord would achieve its aim of bolstering oil prices following a two-year downturn, The Gartman Letter's publisher told CNBC's "Power Lunch" on Thursday.

Gartman ticked off a number of obstacles to putting a floor under oil prices: The chief of Russian oil giant Rosneft continues to insist it will increase output; Iran is intent on restoring production following the lifting of sanctions this year and China's crude demand appears to be moderating.

"I think it's going to be difficult even if they get an agreement to put prices very much higher at all," Gartman said.

Sentiment surrounding an OPEC deal has dominated moves in crude prices since top exporter Saudi Arabia announced the effort last month. Futures came under pressure this week as Iraq said it wanted to be exempt from production quota

On Thursday, U.S. West Texas Intermediate crude prices snapped a three-day losing streak after Saudi Arabia and its Gulf allies told Russia they were willing to reduce their output by 4 percent from recent peaks. The Saudis are trying to convince non-OPEC producers like Russia to limit pumping, too.

The OPEC output cut premium is entirely baked into crude prices at this point, in Gartman's view.

"Maybe — maybe — we get spot WTI back to $52 again. I think that will be difficult. Maybe we get Brent, the official international marker crude, to $54 again," he said, referencing the benchmarks' 2016 highs struck earlier this month.

The problem is prices for oil one year out are still $4.50 to $5 above front-month prices, Gartman said. Higher forward prices incentivize companies that hold crude to keep it in storage.

A $54 to $55 U.S. crude price will also make it more viable for producers of high-cost U.S. shale oil to resume drilling, Gartman said. It also allows them to hedge, or lock in a future price with buyers at levels that support increased drilling.

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Iraq and Iran [ Shia ] supports President Assad - so does Russia

Saudi the the Gulf states support the rebels [ Sunni ] - so does the West most importantly the USA.

The Kurds are allies of the US, but really are fighting everyone because they dream of having their own country - Kurdistan.

Turkey supports the rebels { I think }, but not Russia, nor Syria nor the Kurds.

No one I think likes Isis except Turkey and the Donors in the Gulf States

It is also true that Saudi Arabia and Qatar, believing that Syrian President Assad would soon fall and that

funded groups that had strong sunlit Islamist credentials.

This could be as much about religion or old conflicts between Arabs and Persia or it could be control of the middle east - who knows.

Conclusion

So how on earth are these guys going to come to some sort of agreement over Oil, the only thing all of these guys seem to have in common is Syria, therefore:

Chances of a deal - very low

Chances of a deal working - none

Any talk of an agreement is just a cheap trick to boost the value of Crude - a cheap trick the markets keep falling for again and again and again.

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