Any former employees encouraged to enroll into a degree program by managers and directors?
As a former employee, I had managers and fellow employees advise me that I could take out student loans and potentially get a pell grant despite having free tuition as an employee. That sounds like fraud.
Anyone else have this issue? Curious if it is a local campus/bad manager issue vs. widespread.
For years UoP did not require its employees to list the amount of tuition assistance they received on any financial aid documents. This policy has since changed, but due to the high cost of attendance, most employees were eligible for need-based aid. Even those who were not, were eligible to take out student loans. There are many, many UoP employees who are close to their Undergrad and Graduate aggregate limits due to subsidizing their incomes with student loans. Recent changes in TIV regulations have made it harder, but in its heyday, student loans financed a lot of non-educational expenses for UoP employees. I always wondered how this went unnoticed by ED, except that all student loans are a debt scheme meant to entrap those with little financial sense. Even those who are eligible to have all of their tuition covered by the things like the GI Bill opt to take out the maximum amount of loans as a way to subsidize their incomes. UoP is a symptom, not the cause.
UOP started requiring their advisers to get at least a bachelor's degree in order to keep their jobs or to be able to get a promotion. so it really wasn't an option when the company tells you you have to get a degree in order to keep your job or to be considered for promotion.in most cases once you capped out in your job description your only path to a promotion was to become a manager. so if you didn't want to become a manager or there wasn't a position open you could be capped out in your job position for
years without a raise. UOP also changef thei iscompensation packages so often that people just got to meeting the numbers to get a raise and then the compensation package would change. New game new rules. keep changing the rules so people don't know the rules and therefore they cannot play by the rules. many people had job descriptions that we're not standardized and could not be Define accurately by The Matrix for compensation package raisrs and these people would miss out on regular raises while their Associates would be getting double-digit raises. Raises were higher for enrollment than any other departments.
Craftly circumventing the DOE rules does not make it right. They are manipulating numbers with employees and their families by counting them as legit students. They are not legit if they don't pay.
@ImsLEtm-3fnz, I am not the original poster. The responses are interesting however.
Of course it isn't fraud. This thread is the creation of Camden Kid, obsessed with finding wrong in whatever he imagines. He's an unemployed loser that wastes his time on these boards instead of trying to do something useful.
Just like his false claims of having evidence of wrongdoing sent to him by former/current employees, this too is a figment of his imagination. Should he have any evidence, he'd have sent it to the DOE long ago.
Camden, you need to look for a job, even if it's flipping burgers. I'll make you feel happy with yourself to earn a living by working, just like the rest of us.
How is this student loan fraud??? If your cost of attendance isn't covered by TA and Pell, you can take out loans. Sure the school could change their policies to disallow employees from borrowing, but current policy does not violate any regulations.
This is nothing compared to what is really going on at this mill.
Thank you for your import. Hopefully this site is being monitored by the Dept of Education or other responsible entities. These activities should be thoroughly investigated prior to any approval of impending sale. Failure to do so if a complete abdication of responsibilities to tax payers. This appears to be student loan fraud with the expressed approval and participation of UOP.
Nope!
This is another one of those sock puppet posts from our fixated friend Camden. Camden, you should look for a job and move on with your life. Yes, it's true that it s---s to be fired from every university and community college you ever worked for. However, you should stop wasting your time on these boards. Seriously, you think Pell grants and other financial aid is just given by the gov without examining the students' financial documents? No student (employee or not) will get a Pell grant unless it's because their income is low enough to qualify for it.
Get a life/job, loser.
I would recommend the appropriate governance body perform an audit to see if there was student loan fraud. If nothing wrong, then so be it.
We are talking about the people that work for University of Phoenix. I know people receive the Pell Grant who are employed there because me, my wife and my child have all received it during these last five years. Not the full amount but thing but roughly $3,000 each. If people are not supposed to be receiving it clearly the employee team was not doing their f** job. I would assume any tuition coverage should be listed under the other resources. I would also assume that the tuition being covered or at least an amount per course should be reported in the other resources at the least. Quit trying to cover up for this company. They clearly use employees and their family members to pad the numbers and graduation rates. Finally, if they are taking in Pell Grant funds and financial aid funds and sitting on them to make interest or other shady investments when they know employee tuition is free yet they are laying claim to it, that is illegal. Camden needs to look into this. If what the other poster said has any truth, 15,000 people are being used to circumvent the 90/10 rule and steal from financial aid.
It's a common practice for employers to reimburse education benefits only if the employee earns grades like B's or A's. If you fail a class, employers won't reimburse you.
Employees never received Pell grants since those are only for people with limited incomes. Employees had incomes were above the threshold to qualify for Pell grants.
Never understood how receiving the Pell Grant and student loans was legit when the education was free. Just another way for them to pad the numbers because they knew they were going to get paid no matter what. I know one guy who had a failed course and the balance was taken out of his wages by the company. I don't see how any of this was legit. This is the first time I am hearing it actually brought up. You would think someone would have brought this up long ago. They count the employees towards the grad rates which is pathetic. The employees are the only people actually graduating the majority of the time. The grad rate is probably more like 2.5 to 3% if you don't count the employees into the equation.
Um no.
No, we all did not. Does one jump off the bridge because one was advised to?
A willing participant in what? If a person wants to apply for loans, that is up to the person.
Are employees required to complete FAW? Where there not questions regarding other sources of tuition funds? Just curious as if a known employee, was not the school a willing participant.
Employees got free tuition. That was one of the benefits. Many employees enrolled and completed their degrees that way. Regarding taking student loans, that would have been used for something other than tuition, which means the university didn't see a penny nor benefited in anyway from that.
Yep
Every employee i know at uopx has several student loans. School was free for me. But you could get 20k+ in financial aid...why not?
This was rampant. Money used to finance homes, cars, etc. Not sorry they are stuck with the debt. Tax payers deserved better.
We all did it.